sherlock
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Yet you are advocating a two tier society for the fit/healthy and for those more likely to die.
Oh the irony.....
So Compulsory Vaccinations are Happening Then…..
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Oh the irony.....
TeaCider
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You're three times as likely to be infected if you're unvaccinated, so no, there is a huge difference.
Scrote
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And I can't handle your complete lack of ability when it comes to comprehension.
Long-term doesn't mean permanent. It means long-term. We could have done it in the short-term but people decided that "freedom" was more important than a few restrictions.
Something I quite clearly have never done. You're either delusional or trolling.
Randy
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So perfectly fit and healthy people are now expected to live the rest of their lives under restrictions to protect those with underlying health conditions? That's a feeling I'm getting from the last few pages in this thread. Excuse me if I'm wrong.
Covid is here to stay unfortunately, it's just how nature is, I'm not living the rest of my life worrying about picking up a virus I'm at good to great odds not to die from.
Covid is here to stay unfortunately, it's just how nature is, I'm not living the rest of my life worrying about picking up a virus I'm at good to great odds not to die from.
Scrote
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We did. We closed schools when polio was knocking about.
If ebola ever hit these shores you can guarantee there'd be a lockdown faster than you can say ebola.
Different diseases need different measures.
Covid eats up far more NHS resources than any comparable respiratory disease. Hence the lockdowns (which in the UK have never been total).
sherlock
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Those people are expendable then?
Randy
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Did I say that? No.
A few on here give off the impression that the unvaccinated are expendable and second class citizens mind.
Life deals out **** hands from time to time, some of it random, some of it hereditary, some of it self inflicted. If you went into an elderly care home for example and asked all the residents in there if they expected the rest of the world from kids to pensioners to live under restrictions to protect them for the rest of their lives I'd bet a substantial amount of money that over 90% of them would say no.
sherlock
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What weird line in the sand do people like Randy, Laughing and Dan have (and countless others I have seen)? What is it that allows you all to say through the content of your posts that the healthy should be able to get back to normal despite what this means for the vulnerable, yet when asked directly about it you deny it? You even said outright that you are not living your life worrying about protecting those with underlying health conditions, yet then try and make out that's not what you said.
That is exactly what you said. So what stops you actually just owning up to having that view? I'm genuinely fascinated by the strange moral compass that allows you to think it, say it but then deny it when challenged.
Explain.
That is exactly what you said. So what stops you actually just owning up to having that view? I'm genuinely fascinated by the strange moral compass that allows you to think it, say it but then deny it when challenged.
Explain.
Laughing
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Well thats b***ks, I have said no such thing. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Data is from 2020-Mar-01 to 2021-Nov-18
Under 20 - No pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 17
Under 20 - Pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 59
20 to 40 - No pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 135
20 to 40 - Pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 675
So of total UK Covid deaths of 144,000 the potential total of deaths among under 40's of 886 is 0.62% - bear in mind this figure is people who died but had tested positive within 28 days. It's quite possible they were in hospital for some other issue and developed Covid-19 while being treated.
1 in 2000 people will experience severe adverse reactions, and for some of these reactions, age is not a factor. 1 in 18000 will die. Of the deaths most are elderly. But not all. Data are based on the Pfizer vaccine only since it has fewer adverse reactions.
Based on the above, a healthy person under 40 has a difficult risk assessment to undertake. The vaccines are relatively safe, but then there's not that much risk from Covid if you're a healthy 20 year old. Especially if you keep your immune system in good order.
Good data about severe adverse events is simply not openly published in the UK or other liberal Western democracies. The US VAERS system is open, but might be subject to abuse so I've used the Norwegian data. Norway has mandatory event reporting and mandatory follow up of severe events.
Data is from the NHS weekly Covid-19 statistics. I'm making the assumption that if a young person has severe Covid-19 they'll be in hospital. It's possible a few may die outside of hospital but the number is likely insignificant.
Under 20 - No pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 17
Under 20 - Pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 59
20 to 40 - No pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 135
20 to 40 - Pre-existing condition: Total deaths in hospital with Covid-19: 675
So of total UK Covid deaths of 144,000 the potential total of deaths among under 40's of 886 is 0.62% - bear in mind this figure is people who died but had tested positive within 28 days. It's quite possible they were in hospital for some other issue and developed Covid-19 while being treated.
1 in 2000 people will experience severe adverse reactions, and for some of these reactions, age is not a factor. 1 in 18000 will die. Of the deaths most are elderly. But not all. Data are based on the Pfizer vaccine only since it has fewer adverse reactions.
Based on the above, a healthy person under 40 has a difficult risk assessment to undertake. The vaccines are relatively safe, but then there's not that much risk from Covid if you're a healthy 20 year old. Especially if you keep your immune system in good order.
Good data about severe adverse events is simply not openly published in the UK or other liberal Western democracies. The US VAERS system is open, but might be subject to abuse so I've used the Norwegian data. Norway has mandatory event reporting and mandatory follow up of severe events.
Data is from the NHS weekly Covid-19 statistics. I'm making the assumption that if a young person has severe Covid-19 they'll be in hospital. It's possible a few may die outside of hospital but the number is likely insignificant.
Randy
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Don't you want your life back pre 2020?
Evidently, because they've done a lousy job of protecting them.
Mandatory vaccination for health care and care home workers isn't going to stop the vulnerable from catching Covid. And while the vaccines do reduce deaths among the elderly 1% will still die. I'd have thought mandatory testing was required whatever the vaccination status.
The sooner everyone who is able to has developed natural immunity to the virus the sooner the pandemic goes away - for healthy older persons clearly vaccination is necessary to protect them from severe disease, but they're still probably going to have to catch Covid to develop a broader immunity. There's still some way to go, but allowing the virus to spread while protecting the vulnerable now seems the only option in the short term. I assume that's what is behind the governments current policies. Allow the virus to spread while containing the spread.
Had the vaccines provided effective long term immunity you might have a point.
Its reported daily that there on average 40k new cases of covid in the UK. I would like to see how many of those cases are people with mild symptoms, or even hospitalised.
The reason I ask, I've 5 nephews and neices that have tested positive in the last 2 weeks. All had mild symptoms and live on different parts of the country.
These add to the daily statistics that everyone freaks out about, saying infections going through the roof.
They may be high, but I get the impression it's just the younger generation boosting the stats. The oldies have had their jabs and are protected.
I would like to go back to normality as promised by the government and Chris Witty and Co.
I missed out on seeing my mum for a year and she sadly died with no family around her.
The reason I ask, I've 5 nephews and neices that have tested positive in the last 2 weeks. All had mild symptoms and live on different parts of the country.
These add to the daily statistics that everyone freaks out about, saying infections going through the roof.
They may be high, but I get the impression it's just the younger generation boosting the stats. The oldies have had their jabs and are protected.
I would like to go back to normality as promised by the government and Chris Witty and Co.
I missed out on seeing my mum for a year and she sadly died with no family around her.
JM14
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Life wont get back to pre 2020 for an awful long time, think thats been obvious for a long while now
Laughing
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Sorry about your mum, one the of the hardest loses to bare.
Randy
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Why not? It's only the clowns in charge and the screen in our living rooms preventing it.
sherlock
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That's not the point I am making. I am not talking about the data that leads them to think that, I am talking about what it is once they have decided 'I'm ok, to hell with everyone else' that stops them actually admitting that is their mindset.
sherlock
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Of course, but not everyone can have things back how they were...we are a million miles from that.
You didn't answer my question though. You have decided that you won't compromise to protect the vulnerable, yet won't actually openly admit that is your stance. Why?
sherlock
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The problem with that is the 70,000+ deaths a year at current rates though eh?