So Compulsory Vaccinations are Happening Then…..

Scrote said:
I'm fundamentally against vaccine passports but at some point we have to look at why we aren't getting out of the current cycle.

If that means that decisions have consequences then as long as there is clear time-frames on any legislation then I'm getting less worried about a two-tier society when it comes to covid.
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My issue scrote, is it won't make much difference. Most people in hospital now are vaccinated. I know that per capita the unvaccinated hospitalized population is much higher, thats not my argument.

My argument is that infections will continue to rise, irrespective of a 90%, 95% or 100% vaccination status in the UK. We are not giving boosters quick enough to combat the waning of the efficacy.

I would be very unsurprised if the correct course of action is to keep boosting the vulnerable and the older population and let the younger, less at risk folks go without. This would mean we could concentrate vaccination on the vulnerable. I haven't seen modelling for this, so I have no idea if it's true or not.
 
I'm on a train at the moment, and a women was just walking up the carriage peeling the stickers off the carriage walls. The stickers which said "Please keep your distance". She was then telling everyone to "stop conforming". I moved carriage as I didn't want to be sat anywhere near her... but equally there was nothing to be gained by intervening.
 
Cuthbert said:
I'm on a train at the moment, and a women was just walking up the carriage peeling the stickers off the carriage walls. The stickers which said "Please keep your distance". She was then telling everyone to "stop conforming". I moved carriage as I didn't want to be sat anywhere near her... but equally there was nothing to be gained by intervening.
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That's ridiculous on the ladys part but it does portray the depth of feeling.
 
Laughing said:
That's ridiculous on the ladys part but it does portray the depth of feeling.
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Yes. That was kind of why I posted what I did. I thought it was pretty disgusting, and she got some dirty looks, but no one said anything.

On the subject of compulsory vaccinations, clearly someone like that won't get vaccinated whatever. However, I think there will be a decent chunk of law abiding unvaccinated who would do so if it was made compulsory. A bit like mask wearing. When it was 'law' pretty much 100% wore them in the supermarket. Now it's 'optional', despite signs saying "Please wear masks" it's more like 60%.

I very much doubt that Austria are expecting (or even hoping) to get to 100%!
 
Cuthbert said:
Yes. That was kind of why I posted what I did. I thought it was pretty disgusting, and she got some dirty looks, but no one said anything.

On the subject of compulsory vaccinations, clearly someone like that won't get vaccinated whatever. However, I think there will be a decent chunk of law abiding unvaccinated who would do so if it was made compulsory. A bit like mask wearing. When it was 'law' pretty much 100% wore them in the supermarket. Now it's 'optional', despite signs saying "Please wear masks" it's more like 60%.

I very much doubt that Austria are expecting (or even hoping) to get to 100%!
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I think you are right there is a decent chunk of the unvaccinated who just can't be bothered, rather than thinking bill Gates is planting chips in their brains. My eldest daughter initially said 'what's the point?' then got vaccinated anyway.

There is absolutely a very small minority who won't get vaccinated regardless.
 
Laughing said:
I think you are right there is a decent chunk of the unvaccinated who just can't be bothered, rather than thinking bill Gates is planting chips in their brains. My eldest daughter initially said 'what's the point?' then got vaccinated anyway.

There is absolutely a very small minority who won't get vaccinated regardless.
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That is definitely true. A young guy i work with said he only got the vaccine so he could on holiday. I asked if he was against it and he said not all he just couldn't be bothered. I think gentle nudging is best not mandating things.
 
Mandate it, with fines for not conforming. Vaccine refusal, £100 fine if not done in 12 weeks, fines doubling every time vaccine status is still unvaccinated. No maximum fine.

That would help get the job done.
 
What about unemployed people who can
sherlock1969 said:
Mandate it, with fines for not conforming. Vaccine refusal, £100 fine if not done in 12 weeks, fines doubling every time vaccine status is still unvaccinated. No maximum fine.

That would help get the job done.
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What do you do with people with no funds
Unemployed/migrants
 
What happens if they are fined for something now? This is dealt with in the same way.

This is a choice for most people unless there is a medical reason someone can't be vaccinated. If they choose not to be vaccinated, they should face the consequences.

Facefuzz said:
What about unemployed people who can

What do you do with people with no funds
Unemployed/migrants
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Laughing said:
That's ridiculous on the ladys part but it does portray the depth of feeling.
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It portrays the depth of stupidity.

It isn't someone railing against the politics of anything. It's just another ill-educated numpty who has read a few facebook posts that (ironically) conform to their perception of the world.

Grifters have worked out how to influence the gullible masses and we're now in a fight for reason. The enlightenment is dead.
 
Scrote said:
It portrays the depth of stupidity.

It isn't someone railing against the politics of anything. It's just another ill-educated numpty who has read a few facebook posts that (ironically) conform to their perception of the world.

Grifters have worked out how to influence the gullible masses and we're now in a fight for reason. The enlightenment is dead.
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Not sure we are in a fight for reason nor is enlightenment dead. The woman, whose actions you disagree with, clearly has a different opinion. No more no less. Let's not over dramatise it.
 
Scrote said:
An opinion requires evidence.

Once the evidence is disputed and the opinion found to be baseless you need to embrace the new reality.

Anything else is dogmatic cultism.
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Which doesn't mean we are in a fight for reason or enlightenment being dead.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Mandate it, with fines for not conforming. Vaccine refusal, £100 fine if not done in 12 weeks, fines doubling every time vaccine status is still unvaccinated. No maximum fine.

That would help get the job done.
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Every year? Every 6 months? What job is done exactly if we keep repeating this cycle?
 
It does ignore the fact that in care homes regardless of vaccination status some homes have not allowed a family member to be the essential care giver and some residents haven't seen a family member since the first lockdown.

We can go nightclubing, on holiday, down the pub whilst dementia sufferers and their loved ones are kept apart.

Rita hookway is one of the hundreds of cases where she dies without being able to see her daughter.

It is important to say this is the minority of care homes but still equates to 10%.

Perhaps the government should address this rather than the 10% of adults who are unvaccinated.

www.theguardian.com

‘This is an attack on human rights’: UK care homes still denying family visits to residents

Relatives and support groups claim that the sector has been ‘left behind’ as the rest of society opens up
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

There is a broader view than jab jab jab.
 
Laughing said:
It does ignore the fact that in care homes regardless of vaccination status some homes have not allowed a family member to be the essential care giver and some residents haven't seen a family member since the first lockdown.

We can go nightclubing, on holiday, down the pub whilst dementia sufferers and their loved ones are kept apart.

Rita hookway is one of the hundreds of cases where she dies without being able to see her daughter.

It is important to say this is the minority of care homes but still equates to 10%.

Perhaps the government should address this rather than the 10% of adults who are unvaccinated.

www.theguardian.com

‘This is an attack on human rights’: UK care homes still denying family visits to residents

Relatives and support groups claim that the sector has been ‘left behind’ as the rest of society opens up
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

There is a broader view than jab jab jab.
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Why does it have to be either or, they can address both.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Why does it have to be either or, they can address both.
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Well yes they can Holgate. But the fact remains they are not. Its much easier to keep harping on about get your vaccination. That takes no thought, no effort and places the blame squarely on a small section of folks. Gets the electorate pointing fingers at each other instead of at the government.

Meanwhile, despite a petition with over 250k signatures being delivered to Parliament Johnson nor his health secretary, nor his social care secretary have done anything about it.

You may want to start asking why rather than asking why a small percentage of adults don't want to get vaccinated.

Once again the wrong people are being blamed.
 
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