Should Colin Pitchfork be released?

Laughing said:
Sentencing can only be amended in the event of an appeal I believe.

In any event, he was sentenced, served his sentence and was paroled. The law should be followed I believe, as distasteful as it may be.
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When you say the law should be followed it’s somewhat open to interpretation.

He was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 30 years before being eligible for parole.

It’s only the parole board that are saying he should be released. Just a mere mortal(s). A PAYE employee.

They could just as easily have decided he shouldn’t be paroled.

Based on current sentencing guidelines he would be serving a whole life term.

It’s a ridiculous decision. Assuming the conviction is safe, he raped and killed 2 little girls in separate incident. No way should he be released.
 
Same_as_before said:
Have to agree with Laughing in the same vein the Begun should be tried here. The law has to be sacrosanct. If the law does not work then change it.

There are not that many whole life prisoners, between 25 and 75 depending which data is available one is Mrs West.
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I don’t think the law is being questioned. It’s the parole boards decision that is being questioned. They could just as easily have to decided he wouldn’t be paroled.
 
May I suggest you read:

THE JIGSAW MAN
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Paul Britton
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He was the Forensic Clinical Psychologist who`s profiling of the murderer of Dawn Ashworth and Lynda Mann, lead to the arrest of Colin Pitchfork: his DNA matched that of that found on the girls clothing and bodies. He was the first person to be identified and confirmed using his DNA. DNA "Genetic Fingerprinting" was developed by Sir Alec Jeffreys in his lab at The University of Leicester.

Paul Britton liaised with Alec Jeffreys and Leicestershire Police in tracking down Pitchfork. Pitchfork lived in Narborough, a village next to the M1 in Leicestershire - 5 miles from Fosse Park and Junction 21. Tracking down pitchfork represented a pioneering and revolutionary development in Forensic Psychology and Genetic Fingerprinting.

Paul went on to develop his profiling techniques - identifying criminals who were later found guilty in unsolved murder cases.

Many of the villagers knew the two girls who were raped and murdered by Pitchfork. Their parents, grandparents and families are still haunted by Pitchfork and what happened to the two girls. The shock and horror of the events resonated far beyond the village of Narborough and surrounding area. Today - the memories of what happened are still very vivid.

In my own view - Pitchfork should be locked up until he dies. The law needs to be used to revoke the decision of any parole board.

 
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Boro in Devon said:
I knew him when I was younger, grew up in the same village. He is 5 years older than me.
He always had a reputation and there was talk about what he did to the younger kids at scouts.

I eventually left the area, but went back to Leicester for university, my mates were tested as part of the DNA test. I couldnt believe it when it turned out to be Pitchfork that was involved.

Years later I moved to a city in the South West and found out that he was in an Prison there and was often let out on day release. I cant seem to get away from him and I am still somewhat fearful of him.

Please keep him locked up, as he was a real wrong one.
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I remember it well - a horrible afair. Ive posted some sensitively considered details about the profiling and arrest of Pitchfork above. If it causes any offence in any way - please tell me and Il delete it.
Cheers.
 
r00fie1 said:
May I suggest you read:

THE JIGSAW MAN
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Paul Britton
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He was the Forensic Clinical Psychologist who`s profiling of the murderer of Dawn Ashworth and Lynda Mann, lead to the arrest of Colin Pitchfork: his DNA matched that of that found on the girls clothing and bodies. He was the first person to be identified and confirmed using his DNA. DNA "Genetic Fingerprinting" was developed by Sir Alec Jeffreys in his lab at The University of Leicester.

Paul Britton liaised with Alec Jeffreys and Leicestershire Police in tracking down Pitchfork. Pitchfork lived in Narborough, a village next to the M1 in Leicestershire - 5 miles from Fosse Park and Junction 21. Tracking down pitchfork represented a pioneering and revolutionary development in Forensic Psychology and Genetic Fingerprinting.

Paul went on to develop his profiling techniques - identifying criminals who were later found guilty in unsolved murder cases.

Many of the villagers knew the two girls who were raped and murdered by Pitchfork. Their parents, grandparents and families are still haunted by Pitchfork and what happened to the two girls. The shock and horror of the events resonated far beyond the village of Narborough and surrounding area. Today - the memories of what happened are still very vivid.

In my own view - Pitchfork should be locked up until he dies. The law needs to be used to revoke the decision of any parole board.
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I think common sense and a duty toward a fellow citizen needs, in this instance at least, to revoke any decision of the parole board to allow release. This is clearly a dangerous 'man' who should remain incarcerated, at whatever taxpayer cost, since that is infinitely more acceptable than his hideous crimes
 
Artie Fufkin said:
I think common sense and a duty toward a fellow citizen needs, in this instance at least, to revoke any decision of the parole board to allow release. This is clearly a dangerous 'man' who should remain incarcerated, at whatever taxpayer cost, since that is infinitely more acceptable than his hideous crimes
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The peace of mind his terminal incarceration will bring, to all those who knew the girls, the families and friends still very much alive today [especially around that area] is worth every penny it costs to keep him locked up.
 
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Shouldn’t be released he is a danger to the public and has shown no remorse from the reports I have seen

as such he has not forfilled his parole and should stay behind bars

it’s about time all this whole life was put to bed once and for all… just give them a 99 year sentence and be done with
 
I used to be a hang em high kind bloke - now older and wiser.
However - there seem( without actually checking) to be plenty of mudderers and rapists ( and sometimes both) who would appear to commit much worse crimes, who get out in a reasonable time - with mostly the cause celebre cases staying in until actual death.
ie the like of Moors/Black Panther/Sutcliffe/Krays.

I think what upsets me, and perhaps others, is the apparent discrepancy.
 
He was also prepared to let an innocent lad take the blame, until DNA proved the lad hadn't done it
I understand what laughing is saying, but hope this is overturned
 
Heam44 said:
I don’t think the law is being questioned. It’s the parole boards decision that is being questioned. They could just as easily have to decided he wouldn’t be paroled.
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I don't know but would assume there are guidelines for the parole board to follow on when to parole and when not to. If those guidelines were followed he should be released in line with the law at the time of his sentencing.
 
Laughing said:
I don't know but would assume there are guidelines for the parole board to follow on when to parole and when not to. If those guidelines were followed he should be released in line with the law at the time of his sentencing.
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But if the law has changed since then, and surely the law makers should would only have changed it to improve it. Why should he (of all people) benefit from it the now redundant law.

This is a man who chose to carry out depraved acts on two young children before ending their lives. Destroying not only their lives but their families lives. Simply because he wanted to.

Why she he be afforded freedom because he was lucky enough to have carried out those depraved acts at a time when the law was insufficient.

Why should society “keep to our word” and adhere to the “deal” he was given at the time. He doesn’t deserve anything.

If “the law” / sentencing guidelines have changed whilst he was in prison, he should have to suffer the consequences.

Society owes him nothing.

He didn’t afford those little girls any rights or freedoms.
 
Heam44 said:
But if the law has changed since then, and surely the law makers should would only have changed it to improve it. Why should he (of all people) benefit from it the now redundant law.

This is a man who chose to carry out depraved acts on two young children before ending their lives. Destroying not only their lives but their families lives. Simply because he wanted to.

Why she he be afforded freedom because he was lucky enough to have carried out those depraved acts at a time when the law was insufficient.

Why should society “keep to our word” and adhere to the “deal” he was given at the time. He doesn’t deserve anything.

If “the law” / sentencing guidelines have changed whilst he was in prison, he should have to suffer the consequences.

Society owes him nothing.

He didn’t afford those little girls any rights or freedoms.
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Because its the law. I understand how society feels about him being released. But that same society cannot now change the law because the public don't like how it applies here.
 
Laughing said:
Because its the law. I understand how society feels about him being released. But that same society cannot now change the law because the public don't like how it applies here.
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The law is just a set of rules decided by people / society.

The law has been changed.

But anyway I don’t think the discussion is about whether any decisions that have been made are legal or not. I believe the discussion relates to whether the decisions made are the right ones. Morally and ethically etc.
 
Heam44 said:
The law is just a set of rules decided by people / society.

The law has been changed.

But anyway I don’t think the discussion is about whether any decisions that have been made are legal or not. I believe the discussion relates to whether the decisions made are the right ones. Morally and ethically etc.
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I know Heam. I already answered that, in my opinion.
 
r00fie1 said:
May I suggest you read:

THE JIGSAW MAN
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by
Paul Britton
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He was the Forensic Clinical Psychologist who`s profiling of the murderer of Dawn Ashworth and Lynda Mann, lead to the arrest of Colin Pitchfork: his DNA matched that of that found on the girls clothing and bodies. He was the first person to be identified and confirmed using his DNA. DNA "Genetic Fingerprinting" was developed by Sir Alec Jeffreys in his lab at The University of Leicester.

Paul Britton liaised with Alec Jeffreys and Leicestershire Police in tracking down Pitchfork. Pitchfork lived in Narborough, a village next to the M1 in Leicestershire - 5 miles from Fosse Park and Junction 21. Tracking down pitchfork represented a pioneering and revolutionary development in Forensic Psychology and Genetic Fingerprinting.

Paul went on to develop his profiling techniques - identifying criminals who were later found guilty in unsolved murder cases.

Many of the villagers knew the two girls who were raped and murdered by Pitchfork. Their parents, grandparents and families are still haunted by Pitchfork and what happened to the two girls. The shock and horror of the events resonated far beyond the village of Narborough and surrounding area. Today - the memories of what happened are still very vivid.

In my own view - Pitchfork should be locked up until he dies. The law needs to be used to revoke the decision of any parole board.
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Brilliant book, I think he did a follow up too.

Unfortunately though, his reputation was pretty much ruined due to his involvement with the Colin Stagg case IIRC.

Regarding Pitchfork, he shouldn't be released and had he have been sentenced today he would serve a whole life sentence - the legislation, for obvious reasons, isn't retrospective though.

The law is sometimes a blunt tool and always refined over time, hence the oldest laws are the fairest and most robust. In this case the laws that govern his sentence clearly aren't fitting.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Brilliant book, I think he did a follow up too.

Unfortunately though, his reputation was pretty much ruined due to his involvement with the Colin Stagg case IIRC.

Regarding Pitchfork, he shouldn't be released and had he have been sentenced today he would serve a whole life sentence - the legislation, for obvious reasons, isn't retrospective though.

The law is sometimes a blunt tool and always refined over time, hence the oldest laws are the fairest and most robust. In this case the laws that govern his sentence clearly aren't fitting.
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Regards the issue of the Stagg case - Britton`s tools employed to profile the murderer lead to an over-zealous Police Force trying to find a murderer to fit the profile.
This was a case of bullying by the police, though Britton said that profiles werent rigid.

He didnt have involvement with the arrest and imprisonment of Stagg - but the Police wanted to find someone to take the blame - Stagg was, of course, not guilty of the murder of Rachael Nikkel.

The police used an undercover officer who`s "evidence" was not brought to court, before a jury or challenged. The police chased after Stagg with intent to charge and convict.
 
I don't think there's a great deal wrong with the law. It's the low bar set by the parole board, the underfunded probation and prison systems, and the naive belief that you can make a murderer and peadophile into a functioning member of society by sending them on a few courses.
 
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