Wuhan Lab - Covid

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Alvez_48 said:
I honestly have no idea what you're saying. Are you saying because trump alluded to it, it politicised the situation and made whole swathes of people immediately suggest it didn't come from a lab? Or are you saying it's stupid to think it came from a lab despite all the evidence pointing to it coming from a lab and 0 evidence suggesting it came from a wet market in Wuhan from animal to human transmission?
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there is no evidence it came from a lab, just supposition. The reality is the scientists don't know with any certainty what the source was and I'm damned sure none of us on here do either.

The wet market theory is based on circumstantial and historical knowledge of how sars viruses started. It probably has slightly more credence than other theories but is far from proven.
 
BoroMart said:
who has Trump derangement syndrome? I vociferously hate the bloke and there is clearly plenty of reason for that. TDS is just a silly insult to protect conspiracy theorists from being called out.
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QED

Anyone that doesn't take this lab leak theory seriously needs to take a good look at themselves.
Just because it's not on CNN and not reverberating around your social media echo chamber does not make it false.
 
BoroMart said:
there is no evidence it came from a lab, just supposition. The reality is the scientists don't know with any certainty what the source was and I'm damned sure none of us on here do either.

The wet market theory is based on circumstantial and historical knowledge of how sars viruses started. It probably has slightly more credence than other theories but is far from proven.
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Right let's drop some facts that we do know:-

1) Fauci through Ecohealth was funding gain of function research in that specific lab, researching specifically coronavirus' and specifically increasing human to human transmission.
This is not suggesting it was released deliberately but it is very important because as the major proponent of gain of function research it gives him a real conflict of interest.

2) The gain of function research was being done under BSL2 conditions, this means it was the equivalent safety and security of you or I going to the dentist. Furthermore the people doing research had not been vaccinated for the diseases they were researching.

3) With Sars and Mers they were able to trace the lineage back to animal to human transmission.

4) they have not managed to find a single link between for human and animal transmission with Sars-2 despite testing 80,000 different species.

5) A furin cleavage site is in the virus which is not possessed by any other known coronavirus. Suggests manipulation during gain of function research.

6) The WHO weren't allowed access to the lab for over 12 months.

7) Cases had been found months before the wet market without any links to the wet market.

Now like you've said all of this is 'circumstantial' but how do you expect to prove it Marty? What evidence is there for ANY transmission from nature?
 
smogontherhine said:
QED

Anyone that doesn't take this lab leak theory seriously needs to take a good look at themselves.
Just because it's not on CNN and not reverberating around your social media echo chamber does not make it false.
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Who do you think takes any notice of CNN on here?

You're having the pish taken out of you by the elite pretending not to be the elite.

Rand opposing support for the poorest in USA during the Covid crisis whilst voting for billions of dollars of tax breaks for the richest 1% and corporations.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Who do you think takes any notice of CNN on here?

You're having the pish taken out of you by the elite pretending not to be the elite.

Rand opposing support for the poorest in USA during the Covid crisis whilst voting for billions of dollars of tax breaks for the richest 1% and corporations.p
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What the f$%÷ is wrong with you people.

Rand Paul is abhorrent, doesn't make him automatically wrong.
There is mountains of evidence and reporting out there long predating Rand Paul.
Maybe go and find some instead of being spoon fed your news.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Right let's drop some facts that we do know:-

1) Fauci through Ecohealth was funding gain of function research in that specific lab, researching specifically coronavirus' and specifically increasing human to human transmission.
This is not suggesting it was released deliberately but it is very important because as the major proponent of gain of function research it gives him a real conflict of interest.

2) The gain of function research was being done under BSL2 conditions, this means it was the equivalent safety and security of you or I going to the dentist. Furthermore the people doing research had not been vaccinated for the diseases they were researching.

3) With Sars and Mers they were able to trace the lineage back to animal to human transmission.

4) they have not managed to find a single link between for human and animal transmission with Sars-2 despite testing 80,000 different species.

5) A furin cleavage site is in the virus which is not possessed by any other known coronavirus. Suggests manipulation during gain of function research.

6) The WHO weren't allowed access to the lab for over 12 months.

7) Cases had been found months before the wet market without any links to the wet market.

Now like you've said all of this is 'circumstantial' but how do you expect to prove it Marty? What evidence is there for ANY transmission from nature?
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none of that is evidence.

You have a theory, you and others have come up with an answer..... and now you are looking for something to support it, that is the worst kind of approach to finding the truth. It can very easily send you down rabbit holes
 
BoroMart said:
none of that is evidence.

You have a theory, you and others have come up with an answer..... and now you are looking for something to support it, that is the worst kind of approach to finding the truth. It can very easily send you down rabbit holes
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I'm reporting what's been said by the head of the CDC who is a virologist and was head of the CDC when this started and what other scientists without conflicts of interest have been saying for 12 months as more information and evidence has come out.

What evidence do you think we're going to find exactly? All of those points above are facts not theories, the smoking gun is the furin the rest is circumstantial but that is the best you will ever get. You don't actually have anything to say about the subject apart from well it's not proven, fine yes it's not proven. Thanks for your input Marty.
 
BoroMart said:
oh come on Alvez, you're better than petty insults aren't you? Does that make you feel superior?
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It's hardly upsetting Marty you know the old saying you know you're a friend when someone takes the **** out of you.
I'm not superior, you just wound me up with your 'nope nothing to see here, we aren't qualified to discuss this' rhetoric.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I'm reporting what's been said by the head of the CDC who is a virologist and was head of the CDC when this started and what other scientists without conflicts of interest have been saying for 12 months as more information and evidence has come out.

What evidence do you think we're going to find exactly? All of those points above are facts not theories, the smoking gun is the furin the rest is circumstantial but that is the best you will ever get. You don't actually have anything to say about the subject apart from well it's not proven, fine yes it's not proven. Thanks for your input Marty.
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I have plenty to say, none of us really know. Superlative claims, need superlative evidence, and you are nowhere near that level. It's a working hypothesis that this started in a lab. ig labs have huge numbers of workers, most of them will have a conscience and someone would squeal eventually. No one has. The problem with conspiracy theories like this is that they required hundreds and sometimes thousands to lie to make it true. The nature of people is that cannot and does not happen.
 
Alvez_48 said:
It's hardly upsetting Marty you know the old saying you know you're a friend when someone takes the **** out of you.
I'm not superior, you just wound me up with your 'nope nothing to see here, we aren't qualified to discuss this' rhetoric.
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I'm not saying nothing to see, more, not enough evidence to take this seriously yet. It's a hypothesis, but nothing more. Certainly nowhere near your original post that effectively claimed this to be proven
 
Alvez_48 said:
I'm reporting what's been said by the head of the CDC who is a virologist and was head of the CDC when this started and what other scientists without conflicts of interest have been saying for 12 months as more information and evidence has come out.

What evidence do you think we're going to find exactly? All of those points above are facts not theories, the smoking gun is the furin the rest is circumstantial but that is the best you will ever get. You don't actually have anything to say about the subject apart from well it's not proven, fine yes it's not proven. Thanks for your input Marty.
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Are all scientists without a conflict of interest arguing the same case though?

It's looking like there could be a connection, let's see how it pans out.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It's certainly looking as if there could be.
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It's going to be a crazy time when it all comes out. All those complicit in the cover up will be s***ing bricks.

Fauci told Paul he wasn't funding gain of function research then a few minutes later told him he had funded gain of function research.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I honestly have no idea what you're saying. Are you saying because trump alluded to it, it politicised the situation and made whole swathes of people immediately suggest it didn't come from a lab? Or are you saying it's stupid to think it came from a lab despite all the evidence pointing to it coming from a lab and 0 evidence suggesting it came from a wet market in Wuhan from animal to human transmission?
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Just because it didn’t come from the wet market doesn’t mean it didn’t come from an animal

what evidence points to a lab??
 
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