Norfolkred1
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We went to Lyon a few years ago and visited a Gestapo interrogation Jail. Very earie stood in them cells thinking of the screams and the pain that one human inflicted on another.
Sad places you've been too
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Norman_Conquest
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When I was in Auschwitz there was a small child pair of chord dungarees similar to what my son had in a display cabinet and this really stared the emotion in me.
Also the students couldn't understand why the people who had been sent to the camps had photographs with them - kids today don't do photographs and have all their pictures on their phones. I opened up my wallet and showed them I had pictures of my two sons, the wife and our foster kids. This again set me off.
Johnnyweetabix
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Various war museums in Vietnam and Cambodia . All equally terrible . The one in Hanoi was really really terrible with some of the photos and depictions of the destructive power of agent orange. Some of the poor children born from this you could never picture in your worst nightmare
Zoophonic
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Somebody mentioned Pompeii above. Funnily enough this research has just been released in the last 12 hours.
www.theguardian.com
Vesuvius killed people of Pompeii in 15 minutes, study suggests
Cloud of ash and gas engulfed Roman city within minutes and suffocated inhabitants, research says
www.theguardian.com
Zoophonic
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Except the Americans have turned it into a horrendous tourist trap. The buildings have mostly been completely rebuilt, there is fast food outlets on site and horrendous tat sold in the 'souvenir outlets' and to top it off there is now an amusement style ride.
Ah, didn't know that. I haven't stopped there in over 20 years. Sorry to hear that.
Zoophonic
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Yes I first went there when greyhounding around the States in 1980 and it was a proper ghost town. Then about 4 years ago took the family there again and left after about 20 minutes, Then on the same trip was saddened to see how much the Americans have developed the South rim of the Grand Canyon. I have a photo from my 1980 trip of the south rim of me and we took another one of me standing in the same spot. In the second photo there is a huge motel now built in the background. there were construction project s going on.
Malaguena
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Refugios de la Guerra Civil - Área de Cultura y Educación
Los refugios de la Guerra Civil en Almería es una estructura construida para proteger a los habitantes de la ciudad durante los bombardeos de la época.www.almeriaciudad.es
Some of the stuff that happened in the Spanish civil war was horrible. In particular the bombing of people fleeing Málaga on foot trying to reach Almería. With the Germans practicing bombings in advance of the second world war.
Google translation of front page of the site:
Address: Plaza Manuel Pérez García, s / n. 04001 Almeria.
Telephone: 950 268 696
E-mail: shelters@aytoalmeria.es
DETAILED INFORMATION
The underground shelters of Almería are a structure located in the city of Almería, Spain, as a result of the 52 air and sea bombings suffered by the population, in which a total of 754 bombs fell during the Spanish Civil War. This led to the decision to build underground shelters, with a total length of more than 4 kilometers, an operating room and the capacity to house some 40,000 inhabitants of the city at the time.
These were designed by the local architect Guillermo Langle Rubio, with the help of the mining engineer Carlos Fernández Celaya and the civil engineer José Fornieles and would become one of the most important and best preserved in Europe. These shelters have endured the main attack that the city has suffered in its history, the Bombardment of Almería.
Winter hours (October to May)
Closed Monday.
Tuesday to Saturday from 10:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. and from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Guided tours at 10:30 and 12:00. Afternoons at 5:00 p.m. and 6:30 p.m.
Sundays from 10:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. Guided tours at 10:30 a.m. and 12:00 p.m.
The two morning visits on Wednesdays are reserved for visits arranged through the Municipal Educational Programs, during the academic year.
Summer schedule
Closed Monday
From June 1 to September 30
Tuesday to Sunday from 10:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. Guided tours at 10:30 and 12:00
Friday and Saturday from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Guided tours at 6:00 p.m. and 7:30 p.m.
From August 1 to September 15, it will also be open on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
ONLINE SALE AVAILABLE HERE: ticket sales REFUGIOS DE ALMERÍA
The visits are guided and it is necessary to purchase tickets in advance online or at the Refugios box office (Plaza Manuel Pérez García). More information on the phone 950 268 696 or by email at refuges@aytoalmeria.es
General admission: € 3
Reduced price for groups (+15), under 18 and over 64: € 2
Children under 6 years: free (you have to get a ticket at price 0).
Please take into account the following aspects:
- Pets are not allowed on the visit
- Baby seats must be folded to enter the Shelters and remain folded throughout the visit.
- At all times the indications of the shelter staff and the tour guides must be observed.
- If they purchase tickets online with a price reduction, they will be asked for identification that verifies that the user is a beneficiary of the reduction. Otherwise, they may be required to pay the difference or decline the right to access the visit.
NOTICE: Once 10 minutes have elapsed into the visit, access to it will not be allowed and the money for the tickets will not be refunded.
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Much to my shame, I knew nothing about this
Went to this place when I was a kid living near by...
www.barnsleychronicle.com
Place is silent... no birds singing or anything
Silkstone mining disaster changed history
ON JULY 4 1838, what was described as ‘an awful visitation’ occurred at Silkstone Common.The Huskar mining disaster chan... Local News Local History Barnsley South Yorkshire
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Place is silent... no birds singing or anything
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Abel Tasman
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Talking of mining disasters I paid a visit to this place about a month ago in the South Island. It is a sad story as most of those who perished had been attracted from the mining areas of England and Wales for "a better life" down in New Zealand in the late 19th century. Imagine the excitement when the families got on their boats. Imagine their crestfallen thoughts when they arrived to overcrowded appalling working conditions in the mining districts of Greymouth.
www.doc.govt.nz
Brunner Mine historic area
In 1896, 65 mine workers were killed here in one single explosion because safety wasn’t a priority.
www.doc.govt.nz
spanishman
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No shame involved at all. I found out about a lot of the stuff to do with the civil war though books that an Irish neighbour of mine recommended.
festa5
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Been to Auschwitz twice, not really through choice. Second time my wife wanted to go never having been before and obviously wasn't going to make her go alone. Both times it was absolutely freezing, think it was snowing the first time which added to the effect of course.
Wasn't really any easier second time round. In addition to the sadness, made me really angry. Those responsible really were F***ing monsters.
Wasn't really any easier second time round. In addition to the sadness, made me really angry. Those responsible really were F***ing monsters.
spanishman
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To lighten the mood a bit. Not far away from the entrance to the refugios there is a statue of John Lennon. Here is why:
Almeria, Juan and John: the story behind "Strawberry Fields Forever"
A city in southern Spain gathered over the weekend to commemorate two musical milestones: John Lennon's birthday and the 50th anniversary of one of his finest compositions, the Beatles' 1966 hit singl
Malaguena
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I knew that reminded me of something - from an article late last yearTo lighten the mood a bit. Not far away from the entrance to the refugios there is a statue of John Lennon. Here is why:
Almeria, Juan and John: the story behind "Strawberry Fields Forever"
A city in southern Spain gathered over the weekend to commemorate two musical milestones: John Lennon's birthday and the 50th anniversary of one of his finest compositions, the Beatles' 1966 hit singlwww.efe.com
John Lennon's visit to Malaga, well worth 1,000 pesetas
He wasn?t the first star to walk down the steps of a plane at Malaga Airport. For example, the flamboyant Frank Sinatra had done so just a year before and the pioneering Maureen O
www.surinenglish.com
spanishman
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Wow.I knew that reminded me of something - from an article late last year
John Lennon's visit to Malaga, well worth 1,000 pesetas
He wasn?t the first star to walk down the steps of a plane at Malaga Airport. For example, the flamboyant Frank Sinatra had done so just a year before and the pioneering Maureen O
A different window on the same story.
Thanks for that.
My wife and I have shed a tear at many of the places that have already been mentioned but one that totally overwhelmed us was when
we were doing a three month trip of Greece in 90.
We were in the Peloponnese and found in our guide book a rack and pinion train trip that took you through wonderful scenery with
gorges and waterfalls to a village named Kalavryta.
When we got of the train we walked past a church and noticed that the time was wrong on it's clock which was facing us and an old lady
dressed entirely in black tending to a grave.
As we approached the little village square I noticed and smelled a whole lamb cooking on a spit and said to my wife " let's go ".
She said hang on a bit lets go for a bit of a walk first "look there's a sign that's pointing to "The site of the massacre let's see that first"
The Greek resistance in the second world war had captured and killed a number of Nazi's.
In response the Nazi's had rounded up all the local villagers and took the women to a school and all the boys over the age of twelve
and the men to where I was now standing on the side of the mountain. They must have watched in horror as their womenfolk and
school were set on fire before they themselves were machine gunned to their deaths.
To stand there in this most picturesque place contemplating the horrors that they endured and reading all the names of those lost
and all their related family members names on those columns that are now erected there and thinking that the old lady that had
said Kalimera to us in the churchyard was more than likely to have been a survivor and witness to this was just too much to bear
and the tears flowed.
Evidently the clock on the church had purposely been stopped at the exact time of the massacre and has been that way ever since.
we were doing a three month trip of Greece in 90.
We were in the Peloponnese and found in our guide book a rack and pinion train trip that took you through wonderful scenery with
gorges and waterfalls to a village named Kalavryta.
When we got of the train we walked past a church and noticed that the time was wrong on it's clock which was facing us and an old lady
dressed entirely in black tending to a grave.
As we approached the little village square I noticed and smelled a whole lamb cooking on a spit and said to my wife " let's go ".
She said hang on a bit lets go for a bit of a walk first "look there's a sign that's pointing to "The site of the massacre let's see that first"
The Greek resistance in the second world war had captured and killed a number of Nazi's.
In response the Nazi's had rounded up all the local villagers and took the women to a school and all the boys over the age of twelve
and the men to where I was now standing on the side of the mountain. They must have watched in horror as their womenfolk and
school were set on fire before they themselves were machine gunned to their deaths.
To stand there in this most picturesque place contemplating the horrors that they endured and reading all the names of those lost
and all their related family members names on those columns that are now erected there and thinking that the old lady that had
said Kalimera to us in the churchyard was more than likely to have been a survivor and witness to this was just too much to bear
and the tears flowed.
Evidently the clock on the church had purposely been stopped at the exact time of the massacre and has been that way ever since.
goalscrounger
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This was going to be my answer too. The Khymer people are so kind and friendly, it seems inconceivable that they could do this to their own.
NYboro
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The number of people quoting Ground Zero surprised me at first. I think it must be being so close to it, that I don't even think about it. I was half a dozen blocks away in the office when it happened. I have friends whose apartment was one block away and were home when it happened and others who lived in Battery Park City. While the new building was going up I was regularly catching the PATH train which went around the big hole in the ground.
spanishman
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My wife and I were Reuters employees on holiday in Portugal when this happened.
I still remember going back to our hotel room after playing 18 holes. Then seeing what happened on tv.
Understanding that there were people from the company I worked for in the building.
I still feel so sad every time I think about it.