Randy
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I'm thinking January before we are allowed to open up again. Gove admitted as much this morning on Ridge.Reckon it will just be 4 week? I’m going 6
I'm thinking January before we are allowed to open up again. Gove admitted as much this morning on Ridge.Reckon it will just be 4 week? I’m going 6
Things will be 'allowed' to open for two weeks around Christmas, we'll be told how stupid we've been, and then back to these restrictions till February.I'm thinking January before we are allowed to open up again. Gove admitted as much this morning on Ridge.
Economy - business will go the wall, people will lose their jobs
Health - people will suffer from not been able to get the same level of care prior to lockdown, peoples mental health will be effected
if you don’t lockdown the health one becomes worse as you have to close more of the nhs, but you also effect the mental health of nhs workers if you overwhelm them
I wouldn’t say blasé, just a concise overviewRather blasé and also you're forgetting losing civil liberties, freedom of assembly and all the other human rights gubbins.
But if cases are coming down... Which it looks like they are... Then whatever impact lockdown has isn't worth it. Remember the price of lockdown are devastating.
In fact could you list the impacts of lockdown for me? Just so I know what you think they are.
Read this morning that the response is a T cell response and not antibodies for thisSARS patients still have the S309 antibody 17 years later. And it seems to provide SARS2 immunity as well. Hopefully . . .
So......Yeadon then.
He said that we’d be able to tell if he was wrong IF the cases increase significantly in London and the South East. He said this wouldn’t happen because they’ve already been thumped and the virus has done its thing there, been and gone.
Well, the evidence is there now.
I found his thoughts on the progression of the virus very interesting and I hoped he was correct in that sense, as it meant less deaths and a sooner end to the pandemic than feared.
However, he’s been proven wrong by the markers that he himself said would prove if he was right or wrong. So no need to listen to him any longer as far as I am concerned. A conclusion I came to some time ago, but it’s only right that I draw attention to his being wrong, given I highlighted him on here in the first place.
Further evidence that he’s banging the wrong drum or has got some sort of agenda is that he’s also still pushing the PCR test false positive test issue (which may actually still be an issue) but he seems to say very little about the lateral flow test false negative issue, which is proven and far more of a dangerous issue. Why isn’t he banging that drum instead, given it’s got far more serious consequences?
Very vocal on the vaccines too, and not in a positive way.
So, it seems he needs to be placed in the same drawer as the Ivor Cummins and Sunita Guptas unfortunately.
I thought he had something worthwhile to add to the discussion but he’s been proven wrong so yeah, apologies to one and all for raising his thoughts for discussion.
You know what it takes a big man in this day and age and do that. Most people entrench their view. Big kudos for that. I don’t think you need to apologise for raising debate. Debate is healthySo......Yeadon then.
He said that we’d be able to tell if he was wrong IF the cases increase significantly in London and the South East. He said this wouldn’t happen because they’ve already been thumped and the virus has done its thing there, been and gone.
Well, the evidence is there now.
I found his thoughts on the progression of the virus very interesting and I hoped he was correct in that sense, as it meant less deaths and a sooner end to the pandemic than feared.
However, he’s been proven wrong by the markers that he himself said would prove if he was right or wrong. So no need to listen to him any longer as far as I am concerned. A conclusion I came to some time ago, but it’s only right that I draw attention to his being wrong, given I highlighted him on here in the first place.
Further evidence that he’s banging the wrong drum or has got some sort of agenda is that he’s also still pushing the PCR test false positive test issue (which may actually still be an issue) but he seems to say very little about the lateral flow test false negative issue, which is proven and far more of a dangerous issue. Why isn’t he banging that drum instead, given it’s got far more serious consequences?
Very vocal on the vaccines too, and not in a positive way.
So, it seems he needs to be placed in the same drawer as the Ivor Cummins and Sunita Guptas unfortunately.
I thought he had something worthwhile to add to the discussion but he’s been proven wrong so yeah, apologies to one and all for raising his thoughts for discussion.
So......Yeadon then.
He said that we’d be able to tell if he was wrong IF the cases increase significantly in London and the South East. He said this wouldn’t happen because they’ve already been thumped and the virus has done its thing there, been and gone.
Well, the evidence is there now.
I found his thoughts on the progression of the virus very interesting and I hoped he was correct in that sense, as it meant less deaths and a sooner end to the pandemic than feared.
However, he’s been proven wrong by the markers that he himself said would prove if he was right or wrong. So no need to listen to him any longer as far as I am concerned. A conclusion I came to some time ago, but it’s only right that I draw attention to his being wrong, given I highlighted him on here in the first place.
Further evidence that he’s banging the wrong drum or has got some sort of agenda is that he’s also still pushing the PCR test false positive test issue (which may actually still be an issue) but he seems to say very little about the lateral flow test false negative issue, which is proven and far more of a dangerous issue. Why isn’t he banging that drum instead, given it’s got far more serious consequences?
Very vocal on the vaccines too, and not in a positive way.
So, it seems he needs to be placed in the same drawer as the Ivor Cummins and Sunita Guptas unfortunately.
I thought he had something worthwhile to add to the discussion but he’s been proven wrong so yeah, apologies to one and all for raising his thoughts for discussion.
196 Covid-19 patients in North Tees and Hartlepool Trust today.I don't have time to post much atm so just going to drop in now and again. I did say I would post above excess deaths in November, I'm a little late.
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The above is deaths for England (from the ONS). Yes, it is up to the 4th, I will post again with the latest update when it comes out. As I always say, best to look at a number of metrics and the wider context. I do also chat with medic friends to see what things are like on the frontline.
Deaths are, sadly, an important metric. We are not in the position we were in the spring. That was the epidemic, the virus is now endemic. In the last 5 years a peak of ~15,000 weekly deaths has been seen (see early Jan in above image). We reach that, we may not. If it comes under then I'm sure the reason will be "lockdowns". Some of the hysteria around currently is, to me, absolutely bonkers.
So......Yeadon then.
He said that we’d be able to tell if he was wrong IF the cases increase significantly in London and the South East. He said this wouldn’t happen because they’ve already been thumped and the virus has done its thing there, been and gone.
Well, the evidence is there now.
I found his thoughts on the progression of the virus very interesting and I hoped he was correct in that sense, as it meant less deaths and a sooner end to the pandemic than feared.
However, he’s been proven wrong by the markers that he himself said would prove if he was right or wrong. So no need to listen to him any longer as far as I am concerned. A conclusion I came to some time ago, but it’s only right that I draw attention to his being wrong, given I highlighted him on here in the first place.
Further evidence that he’s banging the wrong drum or has got some sort of agenda is that he’s also still pushing the PCR test false positive test issue (which may actually still be an issue) but he seems to say very little about the lateral flow test false negative issue, which is proven and far more of a dangerous issue. Why isn’t he banging that drum instead, given it’s got far more serious consequences?
Very vocal on the vaccines too, and not in a positive way.
So, it seems he needs to be placed in the same drawer as the Ivor Cummins and Sunita Guptas unfortunately.
I thought he had something worthwhile to add to the discussion but he’s been proven wrong so yeah, apologies to one and all for raising his thoughts for discussion.
Cummins doesn’t really understand the data, he just wants to raise his profile for Patreon subscriptions. There are s few on twitter who debunk all of his nonsense.
PCR false positives aren’t an issue. There are examples all around the world that show how good they are at detecting the virus. AUS had 600000 tests and had 220 positives, they were tested again and 1 of those tested negative.
Specifity of 99.9994%. WHO are trying to get an agreed baseline for cycles for all labs to abide by to reduce any difference between countries testing policies.
when I had the Virus I tested pos 12 times in a row, tested every 48 hours. Took me 16 attempts to get 2 negatives in a row. Now if the first one of them were negative I could have infected hundreds at work and on a flight I was scheduled to be on, plus a theatre full of people. If they were false positives I infect nobody and would test negative when tested again no doubt.
Cases help track the virus and model it to learn from it for future reference.
196 Covid-19 patients in North Tees and Hartlepool Trust today.
You know what it takes a big man in this day and age and do that. Most people entrench their view. Big kudos for that. I don’t think you need to apologise for raising debate. Debate is healthy