Covid vaccines: ‘Immunity passport’ may be used for admission to pubs, restaurants and sporting venues

I feel like I must be missing something obvious here, but why does it matter once you have been vaccinated? For example, if there are 90 people in a pub who have been vaccinated and then a group of 10 arrive who haven't been vaccinated, surely there's little risk to the 90. I appreciate that the vaccines aren't 100% effective, but if that's the level of security we are seeking before returning to normal, we will never return to normal.

I'll happily take the vaccine and once I've done so, I would expect to be allowed to go about my business as usual. Those that choose not to vaccinate do so at their own risk, but on the assumption that the vaccine will be effective, I have no qualms about sitting in close proximity to any individual or group of people that haven't been vaccinated.

It just seems ludicrous to me that you have to prove you have been vaccinated before you are allowed to mingle with other people that have been vaccinated.
 
WilliamMunny said:
I feel like I must be missing something obvious here, but why does it matter once you have been vaccinated? For example, if there are 90 people in a pub who have been vaccinated and then a group of 10 arrive who haven't been vaccinated, surely there's little risk to the 90. I appreciate that the vaccines aren't 100% effective, but if that's the level of security we are seeking before returning to normal, we will never return to normal.

I'll happily take the vaccine and once I've done so, I would expect to be allowed to go about my business as usual. Those that choose not to vaccinate do so at their own risk, but on the assumption that the vaccine will be effective, I have no qualms about sitting in close proximity to any individual or group of people that haven't been vaccinated.

It just seems ludicrous to me that you have to prove you have been vaccinated before you are allowed to mingle with other people that have been vaccinated.
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I suspect if a guideline like this were to be introduced it would be in the earlier vaccination stages where virus is still prevalent and vaccinations aren't as widespread yet. Once vaccination/ immunity gets to a certain % herd immunity very much takes over and risks I believe decrease significantly.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
You total sheeple Artie.
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I'm happy to be under certain, very unusual circumstances to meet certain ends. Sometimes everyone pulling in the same direction achieves more than going against the grain. Not everyone needs to be a rebel without a clue revolutionary maverick just to justify having a Che Guevara poster. I stand by my comments on this thread, they're my views and I have considered them. If you think that's me being a 'sheeple' then fine, although you might have put together a slightly stronger argument
 
Stop it please, our medical records are secure and need never be divulged without a court order. Using vaccination certificates to gain entry into UK business' will never happen it is illegal.

It isn't the same as giving details when you enter a pub for T&T purposes and if you don't see why, I am not interested in discussing why not with you.

Artie, your financial records are secure and cannot be accessed without a court order, I know this for a fact for HSBC and RBS. For other banks I don't know but the law would certainly disallow government access to your financial records, whether the banks fold and hand them over I don't know, but the penalties would be huge if they were found out and would sink a bank in days.

Your GPS data on your phone is as secure as you want it to be, or indeed as accessible as you want it to be.

I aint niave Artie, I work in the IT industry and have done all my life. I understand intimately how our data is used and how to protect it.
 
Laughing said:
Stop it please, our medical records are secure and need never be divulged without a court order. Using vaccination certificates to gain entry into UK business' will never happen it is illegal.

It isn't the same as giving details when you enter a pub for T&T purposes and if you don't see why, I am not interested in discussing why not with you.

Artie, your financial records are secure and cannot be accessed without a court order, I know this for a fact for HSBC and RBS. For other banks I don't know but the law would certainly disallow government access to your financial records, whether the banks fold and hand them over I don't know, but the penalties would be huge if they were found out and would sink a bank in days.

Your GPS data on your phone is as secure as you want it to be, or indeed as accessible as you want it to be.

I aint niave Artie, I work in the IT industry and have done all my life. I understand intimately how our data is used and how to protect it.
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Why are you so adamant similar regulatory protocol cant or wont be applied in this scenario, under the umbrella of it being part of our medical records, with the caveat that a venue has access to a tiny part of those records in order to permit entrance?

You seem blinded by your dislike/hatred of the govt and that they're 'out to get you' by mis-using any covid passport data - you cannot put forward any evidence that this will happen, it's just what you think and frankly it's irrelevant that you work in the IT industry if you don't work in this particular dept as you have no knowledge of the inner workings and protocols which may be put in place, primarily because they don't yet exist. To write it off purely on the basis of your assumptions or conjecture is grossly myopic, and a bit paranoid

I would argue that if you think GPS data, regardless of how secure you think it may be by adjusting your settings, is not available to those who provide the service, again, you are mis-informed
 
Laughing said:
Stop it please, our medical records are secure and need never be divulged without a court order. Using vaccination certificates to gain entry into UK business' will never happen it is illegal.

It isn't the same as giving details when you enter a pub for T&T purposes and if you don't see why, I am not interested in discussing why not with you.

Artie, your financial records are secure and cannot be accessed without a court order, I know this for a fact for HSBC and RBS. For other banks I don't know but the law would certainly disallow government access to your financial records, whether the banks fold and hand them over I don't know, but the penalties would be huge if they were found out and would sink a bank in days.

Your GPS data on your phone is as secure as you want it to be, or indeed as accessible as you want it to be.

I aint niave Artie, I work in the IT industry and have done all my life. I understand intimately how our data is used and how to protect it.
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It’s not really medical records though is it, it’s one very specific part of you medical records.

I’m not sure what you are so opposed to - the article in the op isn’t suggesting that this is a gvt scheme butt rather the pubs themselves who may look to go down this route. So imagine it’s not a gvt scheme are you still opposed to it? if so for what reasons? As I’ve mentioned it’s really no different to showing your vaccination records to enter another country. If you don’t want to do that you don’t go to the country, it’s quite straight forward.

Re data assuming you use your credit/debit cards once in the pub then someone somewhere knows your whereabouts your spending habits so on and so forth. The proposal is not really going to add to that issue we have had for sometime in society.
 
I’m sure it’s not too far where you’ll have a barcode across your forehead and you’ll get swiped about 20 times a day
 
Seriously it’s going to be much like me logging on my iPad with my index finger print , much the same as eyeball recognition .
 
FatCat said:
I thought that was a headline in the news last week.
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It was a click bait headline from The Sun online which people fell for (and, sadly, are still regurgitating)

The report focussed on people testing +ve for Covid.

Guess what?
Lots of them visited a supermarket.
(For context around 30m go a week)

There was nothing to suggest they caught it there. In fact the chances are pretty slim.
You get ‘pinged’ if you have been in close proximity to someone for 15 mins. Unless you are a MILF stalker at a supermarket - that’s unlikely.

Already beed said that intra house transfers are the most significant.
 
1finny said:
It was a click bait headline from The Sun online which people fell for (and, sadly, are still regurgitating)

The report focussed on people testing +ve for Covid.

Guess what?
Lots of them visited a supermarket.
(For context around 30m go a week)

There was nothing to suggest they caught it there. In fact the chances are pretty slim.
You get ‘pinged’ if you have been in close proximity to someone for 15 mins. Unless you are a MILF stalker at a supermarket - that’s unlikely.

Already beed said that intra house transfers are the most significant.
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Does the virus enter houses through the windows or up the drains?
 
1finny said:
It was a click bait headline from The Sun online which people fell for (and, sadly, are still regurgitating)

The report focussed on people testing +ve for Covid.

Guess what?
Lots of them visited a supermarket.
(For context around 30m go a week)

There was nothing to suggest they caught it there. In fact the chances are pretty slim.
You get ‘pinged’ if you have been in close proximity to someone for 15 mins. Unless you are a MILF stalker at a supermarket - that’s unlikely.

Already beed said that intra house transfers are the most significant.
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hard to know what to believe these days, so many claims, counter claims, so many statistics, so many specialists/scientists contradicting each other.
 
FatCat said:
hard to know what to believe these days, so many claims, counter claims, so many statistics, so many specialists/scientists contradicting each other.
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Nah - its easy. Plenty of brilliant virologists and behavioural scientists on here.
bear66 said:
Does the virus enter houses through the windows or up the drains?
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That’s the thing. This virus is either clever or lazy. Clearly looked at the road/rail network and worked out Lincolnshire was a pain to get to.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
Why are you so adamant similar regulatory protocol cant or wont be applied in this scenario, under the umbrella of it being part of our medical records, with the caveat that a venue has access to a tiny part of those records in order to permit entrance?

You seem blinded by your dislike/hatred of the govt and that they're 'out to get you' by mis-using any covid passport data - you cannot put forward any evidence that this will happen, it's just what you think and frankly it's irrelevant that you work in the IT industry if you don't work in this particular dept as you have no knowledge of the inner workings and protocols which may be put in place, primarily because they don't yet exist. To write it off purely on the basis of your assumptions or conjecture is grossly myopic, and a bit paranoid

I would argue that if you think GPS data, regardless of how secure you think it may be by adjusting your settings, is not available to those who provide the service, again, you are mis-informed
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No idea what you are talking about artie, but I'll do my best to interpret your post.

Your first point what similar regulatory protocols are you talking about? Similar to what?

I am certainly not blinded by my hatred for the government, I am protective of my rights and I would be regardless of the government in place. I can't give any evidence of data being illegally gathered then used? Really? C'mon artie your better than this.

Your banking details are secure and the government can't get at them without a court order, that is a fact Artie, that I designed HSBC's internal security systems may not be relevant, you may be right, but it's against the law for a bank to divulge without your permission any financial information, that is relevant. It's the law, jesus, and you say I am blinded by my hatred of the government.

My provider does know my GPS information when the phone gets pinged, install a custom rom that stops the regular pingin, there are many available. Please don't talk to me like I don't know what I am talking about, I assure you I do.

Oh and try and make your posts a bit more understandable, I like a debate, but it was difficult to understand your post.
 
FatCat said:
It’s not really medical records though is it, it’s one very specific part of you medical records.

I’m not sure what you are so opposed to - the article in the op isn’t suggesting that this is a gvt scheme butt rather the pubs themselves who may look to go down this route. So imagine it’s not a gvt scheme are you still opposed to it? if so for what reasons? As I’ve mentioned it’s really no different to showing your vaccination records to enter another country. If you don’t want to do that you don’t go to the country, it’s quite straight forward.

Re data assuming you use your credit/debit cards once in the pub then someone somewhere knows your whereabouts your spending habits so on and so forth. The proposal is not really going to add to that issue we have had for sometime in society.
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FatCat my issue isn't what the pub landlord knows about me when I give that information willingly, it is the erosion of privacy.

I don't know for sure but I would assume a pub or any establishment would be breaking the law if attempting ot refuse entry based on the refusal to givemedical information.

The point is, it's none of their business. Imagine if a pub wanted to refuse entry to someone HIV positive, it would be illegal, or to someone gay, it would be illegal.

I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. Folks died for the freedoms we enjoy in this country today and you lot want to hand them back over, it's insanity, and I say again illegal.
 
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