MolteniArcore
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Never said that was the plan, it just gets the rate down to buy us some more time get better treatments and a vaccine.
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Never said that was the plan, it just gets the rate down to buy us some more time get better treatments and a vaccine.
Cardiffdaffs
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I could imagine if it’s widespread and deep then it would be hence using the time created by lockdown to put an effective one in place when the virus has ebbed.
MolteniArcore
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Yeah, you need the lockdown to get the numbers down to a level where a track and trace is effective. WHO say lockdown is a last resort too I think. By the sounds of it I think we are getting to that point.
Randy
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...roach-pandemic.html?__twitter_impression=true
Also where are all these positive tests coming from? Hospitals and care homes?
Also where are all these positive tests coming from? Hospitals and care homes?
Alvez_48
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Well Germany's 'gold standard' system has failed according to Frau Merkel (who I think is the best prime minister this century by the way). There's clearly something beyond track and trace at play in places like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan (I don't mention China as it's unverifiable what's going on there). I can only think it must be prior exposure to coronavirus like Sars (just a guess / opinion).
Lockdown creates more death and financial disaster @MolteniArcore , no thanks to that, furlough ends in a couple of days and companies are already gearing up to cut massive swathes of staff using the JSS scheme during the consulting period. Lockdown creates immediate deaths, long term deaths and severe social and wealth inequality (that already existed). My evidence? March to now.
MolteniArcore
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People are already getting sacked. I've dealt with 2 people today who have lost their jobs due to furlough ending. But that's not the fault of lockdown, that's the fault of inadequate support from Government.
As a country like ours hasn't let Covid pass through the population we don't know if having no lockdown would cause more than nearly 60,000 deaths - but there appears to be a reason for that... the scientific consensus is it would be an unmitigated blood bath.
And this is why you can never prove your theory to be right and I can't prove it to be wrong, there is no evidence. It's like saying we can model how many people would die if we let off a nuclear bomb in a capital city but we'll never know if it's right or not because no one is stupid enough to do it. No one is stupid enough to let it run through their populations.
MolteniArcore
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Credit for that video was https://twitter.com/AntiLockdownW - please don't get too offended when people say you are anti-lockdown when you are using their propaganda.
I was at the Covid testing site in Newby Wiske last Wednesday having a test. It was very busy. I wasn't a d*ck though and didn't try and film people or take their photos. Privacy innit.
Testing sites could have been closed, setting up, closing down, overflow etc - no one knows because people are just walking up to them, filming and shouting!
The Newby Wiske site didn't have any tents set up or anything like that. I have seen an empty site in York with all the tents though. It was a flu vaccination site. You don't learn much from candid camera ambushes by angry loons shouting at people doing their jobs.
But because of these idiots shouting 'where are the sick people' we should obviously deduce that there are no sick people, that the doctors and nurses in Leeds are lying and that it's part of a worldwide plan to bomb the worldwide economy by making up positive Covid test results. Maybe the people that are in he death figures are people who have learned the truth and have been assassinated by the Government eh?
ForssAwakens
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All the hospital wards must be empty as well
Alvez_48
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Thank you for your diatribe, it proves nothing, there is no scientific consensus and doesn't respond to my comments really at all so we will go back to agreeing to disagree.
Lockdowns don't kill people, rappers do.
(A cheeky joke referencing the old Goldie looking chain song).
Randy
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Hence why I said the tests must be coming from hospitals and care homes. Well the majority of them anyways. Also courier collection tests.
@MolteniArcore too right I'm anti lockdown because I'm looking at the bigger picture in the long term. Lockdown again and that's millions more out of a job. How do you envision public services are paid for when nobody will be paying taxes because they have no jobs?
bear66
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I've just looked at the ONS figures published in September for January to August for flu and pneumonia deaths compared with the 5 year average.
In January and February there were approx. 2000 fewer deaths than the 5 year average.
In March, April, May, June, July and August there were approx. 3500 fewer deaths than the 5 year average.
Why do people publish such nonsense.
MolteniArcore
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Because as we know some people won't check the facts out for themselves and just believe it. We know this and so does the friend of the tin foil hatter, Yeadon. This also works with tweeted videos of angry people shouting at staff. It's all rock solid proof of something... but what? That's the question!
MolteniArcore
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Randy, answers like that just make you look stupid. No one is advocating of a world where no one works and no one pays taxes. That is been advocated is stronger lockdown measures to ensure our hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
How would public services be paid for during this temporary period? I'm sure you can work it out but you have been struggling of late so I'll help. The Government pay for it by borrowing. Hopefully only a short lockdown would be needed, then we can try and keep numbers down so come later on in he year we may have a better plan or there might even be a vaccine.
I've probably said this to you about 5 times on this thread now, how about reading it for a 6th, letting it settle in your brain (through the tin foil) and not ask me again about how we pay for an infinite lockdown. Cheers
Randy
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Insinuating personal insults about a lack of intelligence.Randy, answers like that just make you look stupid. No one is advocating of a world where no one works and no one pays taxes. That is been advocated is stronger lockdown measures to ensure our hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
How would public services be paid for during this temporary period? I'm sure you can work it out but you have been struggling of late so I'll help. The Government pay for it by borrowing. Hopefully only a short lockdown would be needed, then we can try and keep numbers down so come later on in he year we may have a better plan or there might even be a vaccine.
I've probably said this to you about 5 times on this thread now, how about reading it for a 6th, letting it settle in your brain (through the tin foil) and not ask me again about how we pay for an infinite lockdown. Cheers
How do you suppose all this 'borrowing' is paid back? By you? Or by my kids and their friends? It's obvious you aren't worried about future generations you are only bothered about a virus with a survival rate of 99%.
Also newsflash, the virus isn't going away and won't be eradicated even with a vaccine.
bear66
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We (older folk) managed it after the second world war when we had bigger debts than most countries worldwide. There'll be a worldwide rebalancing after this. There's plenty of money in the world . . . most of it doing nothing in the wrong hands.Insinuating personal insults about a lack of intelligence.
How do you suppose all this 'borrowing' is paid back? By you? Or by my kids and their friends? It's obvious you aren't worried about future generations you are only bothered about a virus with a survival rate of 99%.
MolteniArcore
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Thank you for your diatribe, it proves nothing, there is no scientific consensus and doesn't respond to my comments really at all so we will go back to agreeing to disagree.
Lockdowns don't kill people, rappers do.
There is a scientific consensus, it is only a small minority that disagree with it. This minority haven't yet being able to provide evidence to back up their claims. One of these deserters, Ioannidis, held up on this tread earlier predicted fewer than 40,000 deaths in he US... How's that one panning out? Oh, it's 228,000 and rising.
(On a side note no one still has managed to tell me how locking down would cause more deaths than us continuing at the current rate - surely if this was true the excess deaths would have accelerated when we locked down and kept rising until June when we reopened?, But no, they reduced in April once we locked down! CRAZY!!!)
Randy
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Worldwide rebalancing? What is that?
FabioPorkpie
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Well this makes very interesting reading.........Hmmmm
And it’s not coming from some David Ike nut job. It’s from the government.
‘A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.’
‘RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.’
‘The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr
Now is it really that difficult to see why some of us have questions about the daily data we are being given??
And STILL no response......
Just someone trying to turn it into an anti-lockdown argument.
But nothing to say about the above Government advice.
Interesting
