These Coronavirus figures

SmallTown said:
I looked at the stats and was surprised at the high mortality rate of MERS. Also these types of viruses tend to struggle in the heat. As the name suggests this one doesn't. Luckily though it is not very contagious at all. I happen to think this current coronavirus will become part of the landscape. Can't see it burning out. It's quite contagious but not massively deadly. That should keep it alive in the human population for a very long time.
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The virus has done quite well in the heat of Singapore and Australia. An answer to a question today about that was that heat isn't the issue, it's the ability of the NHS to cope with a virus epidemic when it's services are most under pressure i.e. the Winter.

We have a fifth of ICU units per head of population compared with countries like Germany and Japan, so we are not very well prepared to cope with this.

Jeremy Hunt seems to be asking what is the science that is leading us to different conclusions to every other country.
 
asredastheycome said:
Regarding testing. Government says 29,000 have been tested. Everyone I have seen on TV or read about who are self isolating don't seem to have been tested. Just been told to stay at home. So who are they testing.
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The only testing that will be done from now will be those who need hospitalisation. So the view that there are more than 10,000 cases, not the advertised 600 is probably right.
 
bear66 said:
Jeremy Hunt seems to be asking what is the science that is leading us to different conclusions to every other country.
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One of the only times I've actually agreed with what he has stated. Where is the evidence / scientific study showing this course of action (i.e. next to sweet FA) will help us flatten the curve?

Bozo's live session showed me a politician who I don't trust to tell the truth and two guys who looked very uncomfortable with the message they were delivering.
 
To date the experts seem to have got the "containment" phase spot on as we're weeks behind Italy/Spain/Germany/France.

Lets see how we perform in the "delay" phase, we should mark the experts against how high the peak goes (deaths per day). But note if they can keep the peak deaths down, they are planning for them to go on for longer. And they are also planning that by the end of the summer 60% will have been infected.

I'm sick of all the political sniping already, in particular people pointing at how few intensive care beds we have relative to other countries. The results will tell us if we have a good plan, then we can judge and maybe vote for the other idiots at the next GE.

Whats worrying is that the mortality rate is now 7% in Italy, I just hope there are huge numbers undiagnosed there, a 1% mortality would equate to 85,000 undiagnosed.

My daughter is a second year paramedic student in Australia and she's already been asked if necessary is she willing to volunteer. She also tells me that the 3rd year paramedic student have had any overseas placements cancelled.
 
davepoland said:
To date the experts seem to have got the "containment" phase spot on as we're weeks behind Italy/Spain/Germany/France.

Lets see how we perform in the "delay" phase, we should mark the experts against how high the peak goes (deaths per day). But note if they can keep the peak deaths down, they are planning for them to go on for longer. And they are also planning that by the end of the summer 60% will have been infected.

I'm sick of all the political sniping already, in particular people pointing at how few intensive care beds we have relative to other countries. The results will tell us if we have a good plan, then we can judge and maybe vote for the other idiots at the next GE.

Whats worrying is that the mortality rate is now 7% in Italy, I just hope there are huge numbers undiagnosed there, a 1% mortality would equate to 85,000 undiagnosed.

My daughter is a second year paramedic student in Australia and she's already been asked if necessary is she willing to volunteer. She also tells me that the 3rd year paramedic student have had any overseas placements cancelled.
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Taiwan has got the delay phase spot on. And they're not allowed to be part of WHO. Their phone monitoring enforcement of those in isolation worked well. Also having hand wipes/washing facilities at doorways of shops and businesses has been an effective measure. They have 3 masks per person per week being given to people. WHO have commended them for they way they've contained the virus there

You should be disgusted at the lack of ICU beds. Other countries like Japan and Germany have 5 times more than us per head of population. How many people die of flu and pneumonia each year because ICU places are rationed? The rationing will be even worse for this outbreak.
 
bear66 said:
Taiwan has got the delay phase spot on. And they're not allowed to be part of WHO. Their phone monitoring enforcement of those in isolation worked well. Also having hand wipes/washing facilities at doorways of shops and businesses has been an effective measure. They have 3 masks per person per week being given to people. WHO have commended them for they way they've contained the virus there

You should be disgusted at the lack of ICU beds. Other countries like Japan and Germany have 5 times more than us per head of population. How many people die of flu and pneumonia each year because ICU places are rationed? The rationing will be even worse for this outbreak.
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All we can do now reference Coronovirus is implement the plan and wait to see the results, personally I'm confident that the NHS and the experts will perform (relative to other European countries).

We could compare Flu/Pneumonia death rates and I'm sure that the NHS/Experts already do this to decide where funding needs to go.

Alternatively we can take the opportunity to get political. Be sure if the government has got this wrong they will be punished, providing of course that the Labour party looks electable (which it has not done since 2008).
 
The health of the nation isn't political. I have no idea if the number of ICU beds is the same now as under Labour. Both my parents died of pneumonia. Neither was being treated in an ICU. Was that because the ICU beds were being rationed? This emergency will hopefully bring questions like that to the fore for future decision making.
 
davepoland said:
All we can do now reference Coronovirus is implement the plan and wait to see the results, personally I'm confident that the NHS and the experts will perform (relative to other European countries).

We could compare Flu/Pneumonia death rates and I'm sure that the NHS/Experts already do this to decide where funding needs to go.

Alternatively we can take the opportunity to get political. Be sure if the government has got this wrong they will be punished, providing of course that the Labour party looks electable (which it has not done since 2008).
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You keep talking about people making this political and being sick of it.....then go on to make it political yourself. Hmmmmm.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
You keep talking about people making this political and being sick of it.....then go on to make it political yourself. Hmmmmm.
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Please reread both my posts I give credit to the NHS/experts and not to the government.

I also reference that the government will be punished based on the actual results.
 
You have indeed, but you’ve also unnecessarily mentioned Labour twice

Do you think it’s a legitimate gripe and worry for people to have, that years of underfunding and mismanagement of the NHS and it’s resources, both material and human, have led us to this point where we are ill prepared for a crisis such as this? Irrespective of who the governing party is?

Had Labour been in power for the last decade and ran things the same way, I’m sure they’d be coming in for the same criticism. It’s not about party politics or point scoring.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
You have indeed, but you’ve also unnecessarily mentioned Labour twice

Do you think it’s a legitimate gripe and worry for people to have, that years of underfunding and mismanagement of the NHS and it’s resources, both material and human, have led us to this point where we are ill prepared for a crisis such as this? Irrespective of who the governing party is?

Had Labour been in power for the last decade and ran things the same way, I’m sure they’d be coming in for the same criticism. It’s not about party politics or point scoring.
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I think it an illegitamate gripe to push politics at this stage (as people are constantly doing on this thread).
I'm confident the NHS/Experts will do a good job and deliver good results relative to others in Europe.
If you are right and they deliver bad results the government will carry the can.
Alternatively if you are wrong and the NHS/Experts will have done a good job, how you and the other politicians on here react is entirely up to you.
 
bear66 said:
The health of the nation isn't political. I have no idea if the number of ICU beds is the same now as under Labour. Both my parents died of pneumonia. Neither was being treated in an ICU. Was that because the ICU beds were being rationed? This emergency will hopefully bring questions like that to the fore for future decision making.
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Sorry to hear that, I'm worried sick about my 80+ year old parents. But I trust that the Experts genuinely have a good plan and that the NHS and the UK people will implement it.
 
davepoland said:
I think it an illegitamate gripe to push politics at this stage (as people are constantly doing on this thread).
I'm confident the NHS/Experts will do a good job and deliver good results relative to others in Europe.
If you are right and they deliver bad results the government will carry the can.
Alternatively if you are wrong and the NHS/Experts will have done a good job, how you and the other politicians on here react is entirely up to you.
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How can we not politicise this?

We haven't any capacity at all to deal with this, after 10 YEARS of underfunding, understaffing & hospital closures. Organisations can cope with cuts for a couple of years, people can operate at a higher level for a while, they find ways to become more efficient, but it can't last. We are struggling to cope now with everyday stuff.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194582486346539011

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1194583365833445378

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1194583994895159297

https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1209180366260654086

When you are stretched to capacity simply to cope with everyday issues, you're in trouble when something unexpected comes along.

See also businesses and brexit.
 
Lefty said:
How can we not politicise this?

We haven't any capacity at all to deal with this, after 10 YEARS of underfunding, understaffing & hospital closures. Organisations can cope with cuts for a couple of years, people can operate at a higher level for a while, they find ways to become more efficient, but it can't last. We are struggling to cope now with everyday stuff.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194582486346539011

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1194583365833445378

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1194583994895159297

https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1209180366260654086

When you are stretched to capacity simply to cope with everyday issues, you're in trouble when something unexpected comes along.

See also businesses and brexit.
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Don't play politics now - just do what the NHS/Experts are telling you.
You will get plenty of opportunity to get political when the results are in.
 
My missus is a nurse, she rarely has time to stop for a short break even, let alone have lunch, this is before the outbreak. There are thousands of others in the NHS doing the same, over worked, stressed and asked to do more and more. The ward she works on has been set aside to deal with CV patients only , she’ll be on the front line dealing with them. She says there is no way they can cope with the expected influx along with what they already have to deal with day to day - they simply don’t have the staff or equipment to deal with it all


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davepoland said:
Don't play politics now - just do what the NHS/Experts are telling you.
You will get plenty of opportunity to get political when the results are in.
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It's not just about how the NHS copes in the unusual circumstances compared to other countries, it's also about how it is set up to cope in the first place.
 
davepoland said:
I think it an illegitamate gripe to push politics at this stage (as people are constantly doing on this thread).
I'm confident the NHS/Experts will do a good job and deliver good results relative to others in Europe.
If you are right and they deliver bad results the government will carry the can.
Alternatively if you are wrong and the NHS/Experts will have done a good job, how you and the other politicians on here react is entirely up to you.
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I too am confident the NHS will do a good job IRRESPECTIVE of the government of the day, relative to SOME others in Europe. That doesn’t mean I can’t question some of the decisions being taken, relative to the choices made by many other countries. Or do you believe the decisions made by government shouldn’t be questioned (unless it’s those made by the other side?)

You seem to be more interested in having a pop at posters who legitimately voice worries that the NHS has been mismanaged to a level that means it is ill prepared to deal with this.

Unrelated, which usernames did you used to post under on the old board? Because you seem very active on here for somebody who just lurked over there. I’d just like to know if you are who I suspect you are, so I can utilise the full functions of the new board.
 
Tommy_Dickfingers said:
Coronavirus epidemic.............oil price wars .............. countries effectively shutdown
A conspiracy theorists absolute wet dream !!
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Exactly.

On a separate note did anybody feel like **** over Xmas/new year? I'm fairly certain I had this Coronavirus then as I've never felt as poorly as I did then.
 
RandySavage said:
Exactly.

On a separate note did anybody feel like **** over Xmas/new year? I'm fairly certain I had this Coronavirus then as I've never felt as poorly as I did then.
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Both my parents were ill for about 4 weeks around January. I think it must have been a bad case of the flu. You can always give someone with coronovirus a kiss and you'll know for sure 😂
 
FabioPorkpie said:
I too am confident the NHS will do a good job IRRESPECTIVE of the government of the day, relative to SOME others in Europe. That doesn’t mean I can’t question some of the decisions being taken, relative to the choices made by many other countries. Or do you believe the decisions made by government shouldn’t be questioned (unless it’s those made by the other side?)

You seem to be more interested in having a pop at posters who legitimately voice worries that the NHS has been mismanaged to a level that means it is ill prepared to deal with this.

Unrelated, which usernames did you used to post under on the old board? Because you seem very active on here for somebody who just lurked over there. I’d just like to know if you are who I suspect you are, so I can utilise the full functions of the new board.
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Haven't posted on the old board for over 5 years (because of all the sxxt that was on there). I'm close to going the same way on this one.
Pretty sure I've made it clear that I think we should follow NHS/Expert recommendations and keep out, at this stage of scoring political points. But clearly certain others see it otherwise.
 
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