Luciana Berger rejoins Labour Party

Nano said:
If you see political parties as a football team to support then yes, winning in any manner is better than not winning. If you see a political party as one that stands for something and wants to govern to country in the right way then simply winning isn't enough if you have to leave all your principles behind to do it.

There is no point in winning if all you are going to do it carry on what the opposition were going to do anyway. I prefer my politicians to stand for what they believe in and sell their message about why it is the right thing to do. The Tories do it. They believe in something and they constantly enact policies that benefit their donors and core voters. It is only Labour that go chasing votes and when they do that means the Tory donors/voters win whether it is a Labour or a Tory in Number 10.


The only good points he raises are how unsuitable the majority of Labour MPs are for the job of Labour MP.
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Sounds like a momentum thing. I want the Labour Party to win the election, we can at least hold their feet to the fire if they do act like Tories. But to act like Militant is just as daft imho, they would never get in. We have most of the printed press and the internet yahoos against us. As well as main channels on terrestrial TV, the biggest bunch of cnts being the BBC.

Get in first and worry about things like Corinthian spirit honesty later.
 
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Hang on a minute. Is someone suggesting that there are no posters (including Boro fans) on here who hate Starmer?

My sides are splitting 🤣🤣🤣
 
Muttley said:
In 2016 Jeremy Corbyn lost a vote of confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party by 40 votes to 127. He should have gone at that point, instead he clung on to the post citing his vote from the membership. Sadly that meant that he had such a limited pool of loyal MPs that he was never able to effectively lead the party after that date. Politics is a brutal game and at that point he was "Yesterday's Man".

I liked Jeremy Corbyn, I liked his policies and believe that had he been elected we would be living in a far more equitable country then we do now. But, it is no good bleating on about other MPs working against him. He should have known that would be the case when he received such a damming judgement in the VoC.
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It was the MP's that needed to understand and accept that Labour is a membership party and the membership had spoken and wanted JC as the leader, they too are put there by the membership if they didn't like that or accept it, then it is them who should stand down, not the leader elected and endorsed by the agreed processes of the party.
 
Laughing said:
I liked Corbyn but he is part of the reason we are where we are.
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No he isn't. The reason we are where we are is because Corbyn's own party (the Blairites) along with various Zionist groups and the media, conducted a huge sabotage campaign from the first day of his leadership to the last and it's still going on. People can still go on the BBC and state that Corbyn is an antiSemite and it still goes unchallenged.
 
Corco65 said:
It was the MP's that needed to understand and accept that Labour is a membership party and the membership had spoken and wanted JC as the leader, they too are put there by the membership if they didn't like that or accept it, then it is them who should stand down, not the leader elected and endorsed by the agreed processes of the party.
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MPs are not put there by the membership (unless the Labour Party membership is over 10m strong).
 
Here we are again all focusing on JC and the reasons why Labour lost. JC did have faults, short comings and weaknesses, who doesn't, but seriously, are people saying they made a better judgement in selecting Johnson and the tories given what we knew about him and the years of austerity and botched Brexit oven ready plan of lies by the tories even after taking into account JC shortcomings? It feels like a prolonged act of self harm by nation; but this is of course, based on my preference and desire for a fairer society and socialist government.
 
Corco65 said:
Here we are again all focusing on JC and the reasons why Labour lost. JC did have faults, short comings and weaknesses, who doesn't, but seriously, are people saying they made a better judgement in selecting Johnson and the tories given what we knew about him and the years of austerity and botched Brexit oven ready plan of lies by the tories even after taking into account JC shortcomings? It feels like a prolonged act of self harm by nation; but this is of course, based on my preference and desire for a fairer society and socialist government.
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Of course, the big hitters in the Labour Party ultimately handed us Johnson.

Hodge: https://x.com/jrc1921/status/1730607362577158398?s=20

Mandelson: https://x.com/JustMeBeingMe4/status/1360965912698970117?s=20
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Here is Labour's head of elections talking to Nigel Farage about the 2017 GE. It disgusts me that a in country already suffering from seven years of unnecessary austerity, members of Labour could act like this and help inflict us with another seven years of austerity, corruption and mismanagement.

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LessoftheLip said:
Who's "they".

I can't imagine many posters on here voted Tory in 2017 or 2019, or voted for Brexit for that matter.
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I beg to differ, I think there's a few on here still ,Daves old mates.
 
LessoftheLip said:
A simple post about somebody brought in by Labour to undertake a mental health review has got the lot of you frothing at the mouth.
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Well firstly, according to Labour Party rules she shouldn't be allowed to rejoin the party, and secondly you made something of the fact that Labour were now taking MH seriously when in reality it is no longer a shadow cabinet position so its importance has been lessened.
 
LessoftheLip said:
You and the Corbyn cavalry need to grow up and move on. A simple post about somebody brought in by Labour to undertake a mental health review has got the lot of you frothing at the mouth. It's pathetic. I imagine you all sticking pins in a Starmer doll.
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You certainly don't make it easy for people to engage with you in a more positive way, which I've tried to do recently, when you use some of the comments like "Corbyn cavalry .... grow up and move on........the lot of you frothing at the mouth. It's pathetic. I imagine you all sticking pins in a Starmer doll."

Maybe a bit less hyperbole might help and please don't take that as being patronising, it's not meant to be that way.

I've said it before, but I would imagine if you and I met up for a drink, that we would probably agree on the vast majority of subjects, even about our team, and the fact that there are some things we wouldn't agree on is fine.
 
LessoftheLip said:
Who's "they".

I can't imagine many posters on here voted Tory in 2017 or 2019, or voted for Brexit for that matter.
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There was a lot of support on this board for Brexit, and anti Corbyn arguments, though few were based on proposed policies at the time. I'd say quite a few voted Tory from the board judging by the local results.
 
gregorgregorovich said:
I've said it before, but I would imagine if you and I met up for a drink, that we would probably agree on the vast majority of subjects, even about our team, and the fact that there are some things we wouldn't agree on is fine.
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I've had that same conversation with him. He's just trying to wind people up on this thread now. He used to be better than this.
 
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