BBC: Kieron Dyer: Ex-England footballer 'racially abused at golf club'

zaphod said:
So your answer is for people just to keep quiet?
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No i said you can promote black lives out of the all lives matter. As and when its appropriate. Or jewish or ginger whatever. This focussing on one is riling people. Its not and wont work. Dont know where you got keep quiet from out of what i posted
 
penry1 said:
No i said you can promote black lives out of the all lives matter. As and when its appropriate. Or jewish or ginger whatever. This focussing on one is riling people. Its not and wont work. Dont know where you got keep quiet from out of what i posted
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So what you seem to be saying is abused groups shouldn't complain about the abuses they face? So child sex abuse victims shouldn't publicly complain about the specific crimes they face because it's disrespectful to adults who have been raped, or to children that face other issues like extreme poverty? Is that your point?

So what is the strategy. Have a campaign to complain about ALL PROBLEMS, no specifics, just ALL PROBLEMS, how is that going to gain traction and make changes, I'm interested to know....
 
BoroMart said:
So what you seem to be saying is abused groups shouldn't complain about the abuses they face? So child sex abuse victims shouldn't publicly complain about the specific crimes they face because it's disrespectful to adults who have been raped, or to children that face other issues like extreme poverty? Is that your point?

So what is the strategy. Have a campaign to complain about ALL PROBLEMS, no specifics, just ALL PROBLEMS, how is that going to gain traction and make changes, I'm interested to know....
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For crying out loud. I said it should be promoted out of all lives matter. Jesus if your after a argument go and talk to john cleese in the argument room.
 
penry1 said:
For crying out loud. I said it should be promoted out of all lives matter.
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I'm not sure what that even means in real terms Penry? If people shout all lives matter, and wear all lives matter t-shirts, you think that will have an impact on institutional racism, more so than the BLM movement? It's not about arguing, it's about trying to understand what the hell your point is, and if it makes any sense.

Your approach to tackling racism seems to be don't tackle racism, tackle all issues equally at the same time, even issues that barely exist, I'm sure that makes sense to someone somewhere, but I'm stumped :confused:
 
BoroMart said:
I'm not sure what that even means in real terms Penry? If people shout all lives matter, and wear all lives matter t-shirts, you think that will have an impact on institutional racism, more so than the BLM movement? It's not about arguing, it's about trying to understand what the hell your point is, and if it makes any sense.

Your approach to tackling racism seems to be don't tackle racism, tackle all issues equally at the same time, even issues that barely exist, I'm sure that makes sense to someone somewhere, but I'm stumped :confused:
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In your head maybe.
 
penry1 said:
No i said you can promote black lives out of the all lives matter. As and when its appropriate. Or jewish or ginger whatever. This focussing on one is riling people. Its not and wont work. Dont know where you got keep quiet from out of what i posted
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"This focussing on one is riling people"

Riling bell**nds perhaps but nobody else
 
Black Lives Matter - because it NOT OK to be black in parts of Britains culture, history, politics, sport, economics, demographics, education, housing, jobs, faiths, beliefs, sexuality, gender and as individuals.
Black Lives Matter recognises how people of colour face institutional systemic racism every day - of their lives.
Black Lives Matter reminds us about the historical past of these islands in forming those of today.
Black Lives Matter is an all - inclusive movement which engages us all in thinking about how we can change today in order to create a better tomorrow for future generations.
Black Lives Matter because unless we question ourselves and our beliefs ,we are complicit in descrimination and perpetuating racism.
Black Lives Matter is a wake up call for all generations to recognise our weakness as individuals, but strength in being united as one.
Black Lives Matter is a response to centuries of oppression and treatment of people of colour as second class unhumans.
Black Lives Matter is a rallying post for all of us to challenge everything we do and everything we are told without question.

As an older white male I have much to learn - but I believe Black Lives Matter and will continue to help and support positive change in any way I can.
 
Well rile racists. Thats my point. It will never change why thats the case. But like kick it out lets pretend its the answer. It hasnt been and neither is this. Hey ho.
 
penry1 said:
Well rile racists. Thats my point. It will never change why thats the case. But like kick it out lets pretend its the answer. It hasnt been and neither is this. Hey ho.
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Ah well your idea of watering it down to avoid upsetting racists will definitely be a better plan then...
 
penry1 said:
Well rile racists. Thats my point. It will never change why thats the case. But like kick it out lets pretend its the answer. It hasnt been and neither is this. Hey ho.
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So standing up to racism riles racists, and not saying anything doesn't stop racists, so come on......what should black people do to change things?
 
penry1 said:
Well rile racists. Thats my point. It will never change why thats the case.
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What is your point?

If you could explain it I think perhaps we might reach consensus. I agree that it is probably not possible to change racists. They are what they are. What BLM does is illustrate to the vast majority of good people who are NOT racist that might find themselves deferring to racist speech or sentiment that it is not acceptable. That we are stronger together. That it is right to denounce racist speech and thought. I hope it does rile racists, I hope it boils their p!ss. I hope their children disown them. I hope that they feel unwelcome in this country. I hope they run away because they feel unsafe. Fukkum.
 
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