ticker_tape
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He made the Tories spend money on people which they wouldnt have.
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Same_as_before
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You mean Boris listens to Corbyn ?
Even I can't think of an argument to that.
Even I can't think of an argument to that.
ticker_tape
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Just made Boris go further left with his pledges after Mays reduced majority.
hopesoboro
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Pinnochio?
Good moving goalposts this. Its gone from Blair was more left wing than Corbyn, to Blair did more for the poor than Corbyn, to now just being Blair was less principled than Corbyn.
The problem with the principles argument is that there's no guarantees. Ed Miliband had absolutely no principles during his leadership. Was happy to agree with Cameron on anything and everything. Public spending - bad, immigration - bad, trade unions funding Labour - bad. But it didn't do him any favours so what exactly was the point?
Bit similar with Blair. Maybe he slowed down the Thatcherisation of the country for a few years while he was in power. But its difficult now not to see those 13 years as a real wasted opportunity. What's he really left us that's of any lasting benefit?
All p*ss easy for the tories to come in and undo so who cares?
The problem with the principles argument is that there's no guarantees. Ed Miliband had absolutely no principles during his leadership. Was happy to agree with Cameron on anything and everything. Public spending - bad, immigration - bad, trade unions funding Labour - bad. But it didn't do him any favours so what exactly was the point?
Bit similar with Blair. Maybe he slowed down the Thatcherisation of the country for a few years while he was in power. But its difficult now not to see those 13 years as a real wasted opportunity. What's he really left us that's of any lasting benefit?
All p*ss easy for the tories to come in and undo so who cares?
Same_as_before
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Ah, personal name calling. The argument is lost.
BlindBoyGrunt
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That's surprising because you come across as the kind of person who will say absolutely anything to win an argument.
But talking of left wing policies that Corbyn would have carried out and Blair wouldn't:
Renationalising the Railways.
No tuition fees
Free broadband for each household.
Building hundreds of thousands of Council Houses.
Same_as_before
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Those in employment and getting their health sorted?
Same_as_before
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Do you know I thought Corbyn was talking sense until the free broadband, why not free water? Electricity? Golf club fees?
BlindBoyGrunt
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SAB please try to talk sense. What on earth has free broadband got to do with water, electricity or golf club fees? You talk far too much bulls**t.
Your argument that Blair is more left wing than Corbyn is just pathetic and proves my assertion that you are prepared to say anything to win an argument. Not too long ago you were arguing that Corbyn was a communist ffs.
You claim that Blair brought full employment is wrong. In 2010 unemployment was higher than in 1997
ticker_tape
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Could have done with the Free Broadband with everybody working from home now. Mentioning utilities, how do old people or people who arent well off pay bills, order shopping, complete documentation for pensions or assistance, the list is quite endless. Or do we just forget about these people.
If businesses move off the high streets or make a hub or want to sell on line, they should help pay for the conduit to do so, its within their interests to do so.....do you think?
Same_as_before
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Ok explain to me why Broadband is any different to any other product.
I would put the following into public ownership tomorrow;
Rail and buses
Water
electricity
Gas
I would close the HoL and replace with an elected chamber if say 100
I would keep the queen even though I have zero interest in her, but the majority do in a big way.
I would make private schools remove charity status
I would increase inheritance tax to 50%
But to get them you have to win an election .
I would put the following into public ownership tomorrow;
Rail and buses
Water
electricity
Gas
I would close the HoL and replace with an elected chamber if say 100
I would keep the queen even though I have zero interest in her, but the majority do in a big way.
I would make private schools remove charity status
I would increase inheritance tax to 50%
But to get them you have to win an election .
ticker_tape
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Cashless, shopless society, that only the well off can afford. It should be free its the new bank and high street. They modernised and paid people off, they should pay for it.
ticker_tape
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Broadband isnt a phone line to chat to uncle Tommy, dont exclude anybody because its a link to every part of life, from NHS,Education, Employment, Finance, Govt, Transport , Commerce,etc etc etc.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Once you have it you have it. You can't use too much or increase your carbon footprint. You can use it to significantly reduce your carbon footprint by working from home. It helps those who are housebound or elderly to keep in touch with friends and family.
None of this applies to Gas or Electricity.
boromike85
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Any necessity that is infrastructure based should be under public control so Broadband would count. The reason that Broadband was proposed is because it is easy to do. Instead of having a private company, Openreach, operating the infrastructure via government subsidies then it makes more sense to just own Openreach. When you own it you can do what you like with it so instead of charging people you give it away. It is the infrastructure that costs. All of the connections are marketing costs and profits. Bit of a simplification but the other industries aren't as easy to privatise and wouldn't give any productivity boosts like everyone having access to good broadband would. But yes, ideally they would be nationalised.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Blair had 10 years to address these issues but showed no inclination. Not what you would expect from someone to the left of Corbyn.
Like I said. Nothing lasting. As soon as the recession hit what happened to the employment figures? What protection did Blair leave from the tory cuts? Or their changes to employment tribunal legal aid? What did Blair do to stop the tories being able to come in and continue the privatisation agenda and the constant re-organisations in the NHS? It's not enough IMHO but of course you're welcome to disagree.
Public ownership of all of these was in the 2019 manifesto so it'd make more sense for you to explain why Broadband is different and shouldn't have been included.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Blair actually inherited a tumbling unemployment rate too., which carried on during his watch. Difficult to prove that he engineered it.
