A long read on Labour

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Corbyns policies would help those of us unable to buy a house. Blair did not create the UKs housing crisis. But he did nothing at all to help us. Nothing for renters. All the while housing prices going up and up and up on his watch. That's social mobility dead right there.
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House prices need to come down. You can start by changing inheritance Tax to 50%
 
It was never a policy and very difficult to enforce.

Surely more council housing is the answer, Blair should have stopped the sales. In my opinion one of the most disgraceful policies in the last 50 years

Do you have rent caps regional?

You can buy a one bedroomed flat in Middlesbrough for £50k in London I have no idea.
 
Why is it difficult to enforce?

What does it matter if you can buy a house Middlesbrough for next to nothing? No jobs.

Corbyn is the only party leader who has ever made an attempt at tackling the housing crisis. Its why he was so popular in London. Everyone else just marginalises the issue, or tries to make it about brexit. Blair did nothing at all. He's a great leader for those keen to maintain the status quo, not so for those who need change.
 
Same_as_before said:
I have read deeply on the GFA that is the first time I heard that. Can you give me a link to a verifiable source.
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I did mention this to you before.
They couldn't ask senior household politician Tory or Labour to do the dirty work, so they asked a low profile pacifist who had a bit about him. He did the same with the Palastinians. Here's one to start with of many, not sure how you are well read on GFA if you didn't know this.
I will agree you need soft Labour to gain power to stop Tories robbing and killing.

Most of the dingbats on here believe anything the Tory Media say mind.

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/02/12/ex...-down-arms-and-played-key-peace-process-role/
 
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ticker_tape said:
I did mention this to you before.
They couldn't ask senior household politician Tory or Labour to do the dirty work, so they asked a low profile pacifist who had a bit about him. He did the same with the Palastinians. Here's one to start with of many, not sure how you are well read on GFA if you didn't know this.
I will agree you need soft Labour to gain power to stop Tories robbing and killing.

Most of the dingbat on here but anything the Tory Media say mind.

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/02/12/ex...-down-arms-and-played-key-peace-process-role/
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I don't take any notice of skawkbox and it's ilk.

And it was way before 2017 when I looked at it.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Why is it difficult to enforce?

What does it matter if you can buy a house Middlesbrough for next to nothing? No jobs.

Corbyn is the only party leader who has ever made an attempt at tackling the housing crisis. Its why he was so popular in London. Everyone else just marginalises the issue, or tries to make it about brexit. Blair did nothing at all. He's a great leader for those keen to maintain the status quo, not so for those who need change.
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Ever is a long time. Someone arranged council housing after the war.

I as a leader want houses to be £2000 that does not make it a policy.

A policy has to be achievable not a dream .
 
Introducing rent caps is very doable. The chance of there ever being affordable housing again galloped off into the sunset in Blair's watch. At least throw the renter's a bone Tony...ah no hang on a sec. Lots of new labour voters are landlords. Better not.
 
Why the hell is their a right in the Labour Party. I guess Labour has a better chance of being elected being more centrist but it kind of defeats the object, it no longer represents a socialist party which is what it was set up for in the first place. Sadly there is little chance of the right wing controlled media allowing a true socialist government into office - it would threaten the elites profits too much



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I still don't know how you equate a 2 bedroomed house in London to that in say Oxford and then Middlesbrough .

As for Blair, I think he went on 3 years too long. But he still achieved a left wing agenda that Corbyn could only dream about.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
Why the hell is their a right in the Labour Party. I guess Labour has a better chance of being elected being more centrist but it kind of defeats the object, it no longer represents a socialist party which is what it was set up for in the first place. Sadly there is little chance of the right wing controlled media allowing a true socialist government into office - it would threaten the elites profits too much



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I will always argue that Blair was not off the Right. But there is one because England will never vote for a far look left party. Blair hit the button with Mondeo Man
 
Laughing said:
The proof of the pudding will be in the Labour election manifesto. I don't think Labours manifesto was the problem per-se. It was too long and promised too much, but people didn't vote for labour for 2 reasons, brexit position and a dislike of Corbyn, who to be fair came across as a little feckless, and I am a Corbyn supporter. The first manifest under Starmer will tell us a lot about his politics and how left of center he actually is.
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How can you be a Corbyn supporter and even entertain this so called anti semitism baloney?!
 
Same_as_before said:
I still don't know how you equate a 2 bedroomed house in London to that in say Oxford and then Middlesbrough .

As for Blair, I think he went on 3 years too long. But he still achieved a left wing agenda that Corbyn could only dream about.
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And invaded Iraq, with horrendous consequences.
 
Reading the comments very interesting all round even you TSAB.

For me since taking over Starmer hasn't so much as thrown a bone to the progressive wing of the party.

If anything he's been very sneaky how he's effectively started a fight against them. It's all theatre for the press to paint him as the good guy.

Similar to Blair everything is going totally for him leading into what will be his election.

Pandemic followed by huge recession which will last deep into next year. Before any recovery is even felt by the general population it will be election time again. On top of that it will have been what.. 15 years Tory rule (and bad rule getting worse over time) against a terrible leader who already played the fool me once game at the last election, the alternative is Gove (just lol).
He will have press support by all but the lunatic right wing papers (daily mail + express) which in itself should be a warning sign that status quo will be the meal of the day.
He will also magically gain lib dem support in tactical vote seats.

I really doubt he will need the progressive wing to get in power which I'm glad of because I won't feel the need to vote for him to 'stop the tories'.
 
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