Depends who it goes to. A billionaire who throws it on an untaxable pile hidden in the bahamas? It devalues the currency. Normal people in the UK who pay tax on their earnings, and then more tax on everything they buy, and then more tax on everything else they do - it goes right back in to the system.
Starmer Abandons Tuition Fees Pledge
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Depends who it goes to. A billionaire who throws it on an untaxable pile hidden in the bahamas? It devalues the currency. Normal people in the UK who pay tax on their earnings, and then more tax on everything they buy, and then more tax on everything else they do - it goes right back in to the system.
Chris_Boro
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Labour's polling has been consistent for quite a while, the lead as reduced due to reform and don't knows returning to Tory.
20%+ leads where never sustainable.
viv_andersons_nana
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His personal ratings are just about even with Rishi Sunak! If that’s not a damning indictment on him then I’m not sure what is. Sunak, a disastrous millionaire chancellor who’s cabinet is plagued by accusations of corruption and bullying, who’s billionaire wife avoids tax and who was embroiled in the ‘Partygate’ scandal.
The country is absolutely f*cked and fewer and fewer people believe Starmer’s Labour can or will - or even want, or even know how to begin to - fix it. If their lead is falling now, now they’re unveiling policies, then how small will it be in a year.
Chris_Boro
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Goes back into the system in the form of inflation and reduced bond yields.
Nope, the money that is taken out of circulating is what causes the inflation. Re-read the post you're replying to - you're claiming that inflation and reduced bond yields is caused by people paying PAYE tax
Consider the logic of that - we pay off the national debt by everyone refusing to pay council tax?Chris_Boro
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Starmers opinion rates are broadly consistent over time. Sunaks ratings have increased after dipping despite what you have said, why do you think that the electorate don't seem to be aware or care about that?
Alzi
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Who would be your choice of Labour leader in an ideal world?
viv_andersons_nana
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My choice would be someone who hasn’t repeatedly lied to everyone’s faces for the past three years. But that’s just me.
El Guapo
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The sad thing is, the mess this bunch of corrupt gits have created in this country over the last 13 years is so so big it’s gonna take far more than one term to put right. How do you prioritise putting right such a shiiitshow? Whatever you say or even achieve on one term is going to look like failure due to the sheer scale of the problems. If Labour get in, and I bloody well hope they do, then they are going to have to what they can and it’ll be slow - people are gonna have to have some patience and see the long term benefits of things (hopefully). The current bastrds have set this country back decades economically & socially and done irrevocable damage to our reputation in the world. It is truely sad that the hope of real change has to fight against a wave of mistrust and damage inflicted by a cabal of morally bankrupt criminals to the extent that it struggles to even be recognised as hope.
It’s gonna take decades to repair. The conservatives most definitely aren’t the people to do it, Labour need long term support from the ve population over 3-4 terms of office.
Every conservative cabinet member from Cameron onwards should be up on charges of treason. Cnts all!
It’s gonna take decades to repair. The conservatives most definitely aren’t the people to do it, Labour need long term support from the ve population over 3-4 terms of office.
Every conservative cabinet member from Cameron onwards should be up on charges of treason. Cnts all!
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viv_andersons_nana
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I don’t want to be placing all of these eggs in one basket but YouGov have him around 31% in terms of people who think he’s ‘doing well’ as leader, as opposed to 49% who think the opposite. I’m just looking at their graph now and he’s dropped 12% since August. And in that time, the Tories have continued to collapse and cause controversy after controversy.
I appreciate there may/will be other polling companies who may say something slightly different. But the main thing is Labour’s lead is shortening. That coincides with them being actually asked what they will do if they win. They are literally telling people there isn’t much that they can change.
coluka
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Ok Viv, we get you don’t like Starmer. What is your alternative vision? Please don’t say bring back Corbyn, McDonald or his ilk as it will switch off many a potential Labour waiverer and ensure another Tory government. Labour does not need another civil war right now. You may dislike Starmer, but would you seriously want the party to shoot itself in the foot yet again and see in Sunak for another 5 yrs?
Alzi
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Such as? I'm not Starmer's biggest fan, but I think you'll be struggling to find many politicians who haven't flip flopped with regards to policies particularly given the recent global and domestic climate.
Except thick Lizzy and her trickle down manifesto maybe.
viv_andersons_nana
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They’re shooting THEMSELVES in the foot right now. They are lying to all and sundry and people are going along with it! If you’re happy to do that then fine, go ahead and vote, but if it blows up in your face don’t blame those of us who’ve been calling this out for about two years, during which time he’s slowly dropped pledges and promises one by one.
I’m just not comfortable voting for someone who behaves like this. And if enough people feel similar to me and decide to vote for someone else and Labour lose, then that’s on Labour and Keir Starmer. Not me, not us.
r00fie1
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His drive is for power. But not the power of being in No. 10. He represents the vested interests of the elite and privileged. He is a typical Trans-Atlanticist, who supports NATO as an offensive force and backs US Wars. His connection with US and UK Intelligence Services are without question and his performance in his DPP role saw him throw-out cases where unquestionable evidence was given to him about unlawful killing: see Jean Charles de Menzes. He supports private healthcare and purports to be able to manage the Tory racist immigration and hostile environment - better than they can. He opposes any extension of public ownership and profers maintaining the UK as a broker for unregulated profits for the likes of BP and British Gas. He opposes Trades Unions and the right to strike - threatening other Labour MP`s who support those on a picket line and hasnt opposed the Governments "minimum service level" proposals. His support for increased police powers and attacking human rights and individual freedoms, is indicated by his lack of effective opposition to the Tory`s on those issues. He perpetuates a hierachy of racism in the Labour Party, which he has refused to acknowledge: see the Forde Report. He is a very dangerous figure-head for much deeper interests than the Labour Party or the Westminster bubble.
1finny
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Let’s just discuss polls.
In essence people are asked a number of questions and give a view.
How do they form that view?
They form it from what they read, and see in their newspapers, on the telly and social media. They will have never met or spoken to him yet they will freely give an opinion.
We all know the media is stacked against Labour - Milliband’s bacon sarnie; commie, IRA loving Corbyn and now bland Starmer.
It has an impact
The media are telling everyone Sunak isn’t Johnson. His lying, and cheating is as bad as anyone’s but few report it.
Yes Starmer isn’t polling great - but lets remember how people get the information to judge him.
1finny
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He wants to nationalise the rail Industry and has said he will put a windfall tax on energy companies.
Apart from that……
Chris_Boro
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Nope, the money that is taken out of circulating is what causes the inflation. Re-read the post you're replying to - you're claiming that inflation and reduced bond yields is caused by people paying PAYE tax
You either print more money and inject it straight into the economy which makes each pound worth less (inflation) or you use it to pay off national debt (reduced bond yields).
Without growth (the very important bit) you're just increasing the size of the pie without adding more filling while making that filling more expensive to buy (commodities).
If simply printing money is just an easy and economically viable option as you appear to believe, why has it not been done in such ways as to pay for infrastructure and assets before?
viv_andersons_nana
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Does he though?
I’m not having a go. I’m just dubious because he said he was doing to renationalise water and energy as well. How can we be so sure that he means what he says about the railways.
This may shock you, but over the years there have been a number of politicians more interested in their own personal benefit rather than making life easier for normal people.
1finny
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I think it’s fair enough to be dubious but, as of today, we have nothing to suggest he has changed his mind.
What is out of order is for Roofie and others to print bile and nonsense as ‘fact’.
The very people who quite rightly railed against the fake news schoite spouted about Corbyn.
There is another elephant in the room here.
The dogma that says you promise something in 2020 and must deliver it in 2024 when you are elected.
There isn’t a business in the world that is referring to their 2020 strategy - it’s all a bit different now.
Politicians should reflect and adapt too.
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