Gary Lineker being reined in

r00fie1 said:
Why wasnt Alan Sugar sacked by the BBC when he posted this?

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Whilst I cannot stand Sugar, this tweet was well before the new DG brought in the new impartiality guidelines in autumn 2020 shortly after his appointment. Under the previous DG Lineker tweeted loads of political stuff that he wasn’t reprimanded for either (and I’m not saying he should have been).

I’ve no doubt Sugar may have tweeted worse political stuff since and I’d be well in favour of his sacking if he has.
 
WoodallServices said:
Does this only apply to Lineker or should it apply to the likes of Alan Sugar, Andrew Neil etc?
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Applies to everyone. Lineker of course has raised the stakes by invoking Godwin's Law, which always raises the stakes, Simply disagreeing with the government is less of an issue than comparing it to Nazi Germany. (Or the Weimar Republic, if that's what he meant - but I suspect he knew it wouldn't be taken that way.)
 
atypical_boro said:
Whilst I cannot stand Sugar, this tweet was well before the new DG brought in the new impartiality guidelines in autumn 2020 shortly after his appointment. Under the previous DG Lineker tweeted loads of political stuff that he wasn’t reprimanded for either (and I’m not saying he should have been).

I’ve no doubt Sugar may have tweeted worse political stuff since and I’d be well in favour of his sacking if he has.
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Guess who’s just applied for a promotion?
 
dsr-burnley said:
Applies to everyone. Lineker of course has raised the stakes by invoking Godwin's Law, which always raises the stakes, Simply disagreeing with the government is less of an issue than comparing it to Nazi Germany. (Or the Weimar Republic, if that's what he meant - but I suspect he knew it wouldn't be taken that way.)
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Would that be referencing the “Weimar Republic“ that clamped down on public descent, to then be silenced for comparing into a clamp down on public descent.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
All joking aside, if there's been a dodgy goal/disallowed goal in a game, don't you watch it to see what the pundits say? I know I do.
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Personally, no, I form my own opinion. They often don’t understand the laws of the game anyway and offer no insight (think Lee Dixon who mocks the refs & linesman and even the laws because he doesn’t “get” them. Boro’s goal against Man U last season for example, prattling on about how it’s all wrong for the rest of he game, hard luck Lee, it’s the law, you got it wrong, move on). Would be better off having an ex referee covering those incidents.

I’m not totally against a quick recap of the major incidents but I think too much time and money is spent on punditry. We don’t need 2 or more people in the studio, one at pitch side and a co commentator.

Also some pundits are just woeful, generally speaking. Micah Richards, Danny Murphy, Chris Sutton, Clinton Morrison, Lee Dixon, Robbie Savage to name a few off the top of my head.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
All joking aside, if there's been a dodgy goal/disallowed goal in a game, don't you watch it to see what the pundits say? I know I do.
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Personally, no, I form my own opinion. They often don’t understand the laws of the game anyway and offer no insight (think Lee Dixon who mocks the refs & linesman and even the laws because he doesn’t “get” them. Boro’s goal against Man U last season for example, prattling on about how it’s all wrong for the rest of he game, hard luck Lee, it’s the law, you got it wrong, move on). Would be better off having an ex referee covering those incidents.

I’m not totally against a quick recap of the major incidents but I think too much time and money is spent on punditry. We don’t need 2 or more people in the studio, one at pitch side and a co commentator.

Also some pundits are just woeful generally speaking. Micah Richards, Danny Murphy, Chris Sutton, Clinton Morrison, Lee Dixon, Robbie Savage to name a few off the top of my head.

That said, we’ve gone a bit off tangent, what the BBC are doing here is all wrong and fair play to Lineker and Co for standing up to it. Hope they continue to do so until BBC back down but expect in undisclosed compromise where no one loses face.
 
I'm pro Beeb, in principle. It was created to be an independent voice and we need it returned to its original purpose.

The BBC chairmans position is untenable since, his involvement in Johnson's loan, being exposed.

The Lineker situation is beyond hypocrisy. By extension, how many other camera facing BBC staff and contractors require censure? Alan Sugar? Chris Packam? Deborah Meadon? David Attenborough?
 
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Their own guidelines indicate the risk of compromising BBCs impartially are low and even includes an almost identical situation as an example.

Make no mistake, Lineker has been silenced here.
 
dsr-burnley said:
Applies to everyone. Lineker of course has raised the stakes by invoking Godwin's Law, which always raises the stakes, Simply disagreeing with the government is less of an issue than comparing it to Nazi Germany. (Or the Weimar Republic, if that's what he meant - but I suspect he knew it wouldn't be taken that way.)
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He wasnt comparing the Government to Nazi Germany. He said "the language" being used by the Government [particularly Cruella Braverman] was no different from that used by Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Big difference.
 
r00fie1 said:
He wasnt comparing the Government to Nazi Germany. He said "the language" being used by the Government [particularly Cruella Braverman] was no different from that used by Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Big difference.
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he didn’t even say it was ‘no different’

His exact words were
’language not dissimilar to that used in Germany in the 30’s’

Lets be clear what happened here
By Wednesday night this story had gone away and BBC ‘insiders’ were saying there was no chance of disciplinary action

On Thursday the Mail and Telegraph lead with ‘Lineker must be sacked‘ stories
On Friday action is taken…..
 
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