Southgate on three managers programme

Asset stripped indeed, 6M on Mido and 12M on Alves, 5M on O’Neil and 4M on Digard, sold Morrison and Cattermole for a pittance, wrong players bought to fight to stay in this league
 
gravy173 said:
Asset stripped indeed, 6M on Mido and 12M on Alves, 5M on O’Neil and 4M on Digard, sold Morrison and Cattermole for a pittance, wrong players bought to fight to stay in this league
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Southgate is on record as saying he did not buy Alves. Southgate never negotiated, fees Salaries etc. Good players were sold replaced by inferior players. Why do you think Southgate, someone with no managerial experience had full responsibility for buying and selling when in all thats clear since, managers and coaches have reported players being brought inagainst their wishes? Downing himself confirmed AK did not want him. Other examples of alleged gifts exist.

Southgate was thrown in at the deep end with inferior players on the back of huge wave of euphoria having won a cup and 2 yrs of european football. The model that got us there was clearly unsustainable. We had our day in the sun. A recession loomed tough financial decisions had to be made Southgate had to make a silkpurse from a sows ear, he couldn’t but then i am not sure pep could have kept us up with the squad he was provided with.
 
Awful manager who has stumbled into the top job in English football by default. And lucky now that England have a decent squad.
 
coluka said:
Southgate is on record as saying he did not buy Alves. Southgate never negotiated, fees Salaries etc. Good players were sold replaced by inferior players. Why do you think Southgate, someone with no managerial experience had full responsibility for buying and selling when in all thats clear since, managers and coaches have reported players being brought inagainst their wishes? Downing himself confirmed AK did not want him. Other examples of alleged gifts exist.

Southgate was thrown in at the deep end with inferior players on the back of huge wave of euphoria having won a cup and 2 yrs of european football. The model that got us there was clearly unsustainable. We had our day in the sun. A recession loomed tough financial decisions had to be made Southgate had to make a silkpurse from a sows ear, he couldn’t but then i am not sure pep could have kept us up with the squad he was provided with.
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If I remember correctly didn't Gareth want to sign Brett Emerton for 750,000 from Blackburn but told he couldn't as they needed the money for Alves who wasn't his signing.
 
"Well done to Gareth on quoting the population of Middlesbrough (150,000) and he knew it was a town and not a city."

"Yeah but he was a carp manager for us"

"I really admire the work Gareth Southgate is doing on mental health"

"Yeah but he was a carp manager for us"

"I saw Gareth Southgate in Tesco's on Saturday"

"Yeah but he was a carp manager for us"

"I really like the architecture of Southgate tube station"

"Yeah but he was a carp manager for us"
 
Southgate said we finished 13th in his first season - for a manager with absolutely no experience at the beginning of the season that was not bad. I think the next season was even better. However 2008/9 was poor even with reduced funding and 2009/10 started poorly overall with defeats to Watford, Bristol City and WBA for a team that was expected to be top 3 or 4.

Southgate said he was never interviewed for the job, just got a phone call offering him the job.
 
It wasn't the wrong decision to sack him. It was bizarre timing though, should have been after we were relegated. Bizarre timing seems to be a worrying trait for Gibson in recent years.

I won't criticise the appointment of Strachan too much as on paper it didn't look a bad one. The reality was obviously very different.
 
coluka said:
Southgate is on record as saying he did not buy Alves.
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No Keith Lamb is on record as paying the fee for him.
The question was something like, "what idiot paid £13m for Alves?" & Lamb said "that would be me."

People have taken it that Southgate had no say in the signing but I've not seen that reported by any of the parties.
 
If I remember right, there was photos on (the contemporary version of) here showing Southgate touring Alves around the ground. And the Alves rumours went on for about 3 transfer windows before we actually signed him. So I think it's probably likely Southgate had at least some involvement in the signing.

I don't really know why people insist that our managers aren't involved in our transfers. When Strachan became manager we signed about half a dozen players from the Scottish Prem. When Karanka became manager we suddenly had loads of Spanish players at the club. Be a very strange coincidence if these things weren't connected.
 
It's a stupid excuse anyway. Signing Alves isn't what got us relegated in 2009. The problem was replacing Cattermole, Morrison, Boateng and Rochemback as the options in CM with Digard, Matty Bates and a 1 legged Julio Arca. Alves showed he was up to it in his first half season where he was scoring goals.
 
newusername said:
No Keith Lamb is on record as paying the fee for him.
The question was something like, "what idiot paid £13m for Alves?" & Lamb said "that would be me."

People have taken it that Southgate had no say in the signing but I've not seen that reported by any of the parties.
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He categorically was quoted in a national newspaper as saying he did not sign Alves. I haven’t found the particular artical yet, but this gazette article refers to the quote and has Lamb refuting it, but I guess he would. I see no reason for the highly respected ex captain, manager and current England manager to make it up. Others will no doubt say the same for Lamb, but given we know other players have come in that the manager did not want, the club appears to have form, or was Downing fibbing when he stated AK did not want him too, on Radio Tees?

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It's a stupid point either way tbh. Karanka clearly had input on transfers. There's no way the club signed Kike, Kike Sola, Traore, Espinosa, Barragan all just coincidentally while AK was in charge. So to me it's obviously wrong to say our managers aren't involved in signing players.

And then on from that, even if you're generous about it and assume that (despite being well involved in most transfers) sometimes some players get signed by Boro without the manager having any say or any clue about it beforehand - that's not some great mitigating point in Southgate or Karanka's favour.

If Southgate genuinely didn't want Alves why was he touring him round the stadium? Why didn't he speak up about it months earlier when we were linked with Alves all the previous summer. Alves was discussed as a target on here for about a full year before the signing finally happened. If I as a daft kid at uni knew we were in for him how could Southgate as manager not?

And if Karanka genuinely stropped about us signing an England international while in the championship from day 1 just cause he wasn't the one to choose him for a list of transfer targets then he's a f*cking idiot and it just proves all the worst rumours about his man-management.
 
coluka said:
He categorically was quoted in a national newspaper as saying he did not sign Alves. I haven’t found the particular artical yet, but this gazette article refers to the quote and has Lamb refuting it, but I guess he would. I see no reason for the highly respected ex captain, manager and current England manager to make it up. Others will no doubt say the same for Lamb, but given we know other players have come in that the manager did not want, the club appears to have form, or was Downing fibbing when he stated AK did not want him too, on Radio Tees?

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"I'm delighted to have completed the deal," said Gareth Southgate, the Middlesbrough manager. "His goalscoring record in Holland in particular but in Sweden too has been prolific. We hope he will reproduce that sort of form for us in the Premier League."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/feb/01/newsstory.liverpool1

The quote in Gazette is brilliant:
"I wanted Brett Emerton and we could have had him for £750,000. That was one where I was told we had no money, but then years later we bought a £12m striker.”

"I told him we had no money ..................................and then years later spent £12m on a striker he didn't want"
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newusername said:
"I'm delighted to have completed the deal," said Gareth Southgate, the Middlesbrough manager. "His goalscoring record in Holland in particular but in Sweden too has been prolific. We hope he will reproduce that sort of form for us in the Premier League."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/feb/01/newsstory.liverpool1

The quote in Gazette is brilliant:
"I wanted Brett Emerton and we could have had him for £750,000. That was one where I was told we had no money, but then years later we bought a £12m striker.”

"I told him we had no money ..................................and then years later spent £12m on a striker he didn't want"
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I am sure you understand that when you are under contract you realise you have a duty to follow your employers instructions. I was at work and did lots of things I disagreed with to ensure a breach did not occur of mine. However, once freed from said contract you can be more open as your income no longer depends on it. It should not be hard to figure. Do you feel Stewey was not telling the truth on BBC Tees? Other examples are available. Why do you feel Gareth lied, as you seem sure he did.
 
"Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan"

If he'd smashed in a ton of goals, Southgate would've been happy to be associated with the signing.
As he was a flop, Southgate wanted to disassociate himself from it.

Probably worried about future employability if he was considered profligate with cash, splashing out on flops and perhaps he was right to be as no one has given him a transfer budget since.
 
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