Double Edge Shaving

DCI_Gene_Hunt

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Inspired by the recent thread in the old group I invested in a razor, blades, soap, pre shave oil.

I can only say that so far results are not promising. I've had closer shaves with the disposable razors you can buy in hotels when you've forgotten to take a razor with you.

Great at moving soap around your face or cutting you to ribbons depending on which angle you use but useless when gliding across stubble that is anything stronger than an adolescent's bumfluff.

Still early days and no doubt I'm doing something wring but at this rate it'll be back to Gillette twin blades.
 
You are definitely doing something wrong.

What kit did you buy?

Have you looked on YouTube for tips?
 
You are definitely doing something wrong.

What kit did you buy?

Have you looked on YouTube for tips?
I got sick to death of watching men shave on You Tube, it felt a bit pervy in the end. Off out now but kit was Edwin Jagger razor & pre shave oil, Trumper Sandalwood shaving cream & Feather blades.
 
How many passes are you doing? I do 2 or three. (one against the grain).. Take your time and take it steady. I get good close shaves. I'm never going back to cartridge razors.
 
Also bud it might be best for you to get a mixed bag of razors to try. I recall having a pack of about 20 with 5 different brands included.

They vary so greatly. I'm very sure that once you find the right one for you that you'll not go back
 
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When I first started I was doing one pass as you would with a cartridge razor and I wasn't impressed.
Once I'd got the hang of doing 2 to 3 passes up, down and across the grain I got excellent results. Get 4-5 shaves out of one blade too. Yes it takes longer, but bizarrely I get enjoyment out of it.

Agree with getting a sample pack... Some are good, (feather, permasharp), some aren't so (supermax!)
 
You don’t go against the grain with a cartridge, you would with a DE, usually 2nd or 3rd pass. Again YouTube for technique. Apply literally no pressure, it’s the weight of the razor that does it. Don’t press in.

DE shaving is a godsend and once you know what you’re doing it takes the same amount of time but is more enjoyable.

trumper creams gets good reviews but I have the violet one and my face is in bits every time I tried to give it another chance, no idea why. However I suspect in your case your issue will be combination of technique and cutting angle , and correct blade will improve on that.




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Fascinated by how shaving has become almost a fashion industry. I guess it has turned into a leisure activity. I use my Gillette G2 safety razor and it gives me a decent shave without worrying about being cut. What am I missing?
 
use a gillette mach 3 since I was cleaning my electric shaver over a 3 story window and the fkg thing fell apart and the top section fell the 3 stories and I was left holding the body..... tried the sexy razors and simply gone back to the mach 3 ----
 
This analogy will probably only mean anything to cyclists, but it's like the feeling you get the first time you've shaved your legs and put on a pair of jeans :D

Seriously though, a good DE shave is so much closer and cleaner feeling than any cartridge razor I've ever had. Plus, after the initial cost its a lot more economical.
 
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Fascinated by how shaving has become almost a fashion industry. I guess it has turned into a leisure activity. I use my Gillette G2 safety razor and it gives me a decent shave without worrying about being cut. What am I missing?

Literally the only reason that cartridge razors exist is because the patents expired on double edge razor handles and to avoid it being a cycle for them, razor companies had the bright idea of making the blades be integral to the experience, locking you into their product. The "innovation" that has happened with razor blades is purely resetting that patent clock each time - 2 blades, 3 blades, 4 blades, 5 blades, lubricating strips, vibrating handle etc - none of it actually improves your shave it just differentiates their product.

If you are happy with the shave you get from your G2 then you aren't missing anything. DE Shaving isn't a religion or a requirement that everyone do, its just an option. A 10 pack of G2 blades costs £10 from amazon, you might get them cheaper - I've no idea - but each blade cartridge should only be used a few times depending on your skin and hair thickness, some people use them once, some people 3-5 times, I see some people say a cartridge lasts them months - this is not hygienic at all and bacteria will build up. The blades themselves are also not that sharp, and deteriorate rapidly after first use. There are tricks (such as the denim swipe) to prolong cartridge blades, but you're pushing it really. Theres been threads on reddit where people have used an electron microscope to look at DE and cartridge razor blades before any shaves and then tracked them after shave 1, 2, 3 etc and the change in the metal, which to the naked eye still looks really sharp, is quite drastic. Even if they were £5 for 10 blades, over time that is still significant plastic being wasted and money spent. If you shaved every day, and used each blade for 3 shaves, you'd need 121 blades. YMMV, but at that expected use rate 121 blades would cost around £120.

With DE you make a small initial investment in a razor handle - the style and price point is up to you - but you can buy 100 blades for £10. Again with DE blades some people use them single use, some people use them 3-5, some more, but to go with 3 shaves per blade, that would be £20, with much of next year's supply bought. With the difference, you have money for several nice soaps, a good quality handle, anything else you might want like an alum block, and from there its profit for the rest of your life. And thats using G2 as an example - 8 Fusion pro-glides are £18 on amazon, and non the high street you often see some eye watering prices.

The products that go alongside it are also higher quality - and again its up to you what you pay as its your ritual - if you are happy with canned gloop then no need to change, but there is an array of mass produced and artisan soaps with all kinds of qualities and scents which make the experience more enjoyable, and also work better due to chemical makeup - for example tallow fat based soaps will always be a more effective shaving surface than sprayed foam.

I don't think shaving has become a fashion industry, I think it's being rediscovered. In years gone people would always go to a barber due to the skill required for a cut throat shave. When the safety razor was released (which is what a DE razor is - your G2 is a plastic imitation of one), the art of shaving became something you could do yourself and people bought DE razors, brushes soaps etc and learned how to shave, and this knowledge was passed down from grandfather to father to son over time - there are DE razors around today from before the world wars and they are still effective, so by and large once you have your handle, you are just buying blades and soap and the like unless you fancy another handle, which is a choice. But none of this is new - people have had fine shaving brushes, fancy engineered handles, hand made soaps etc since long before we were twinkles in our grandparents eyes.

As the shaving industry saw profits disappearing because people were keeping their handles, and patents were expiring so many copycats were coming onto the market, then disposable and cartridge razors were produced - convenience shaves. Heavy advertising for decades in newspapers and magazines and especially targeted at lads mags, coupled with a printer style business model of buying the handle cheap and getting 1-2 blades cheap, and the profit lying in the blade packs, means that for a long time shaving the old way became a thing of the past.

However, probably backed by the credit crunch and squeezed wallets, traditional shaving is now in a renaissance period as people are seeing that not only is it an enjoyable experience once you learn how to do it (some take to it instantly, some need to learn technique), but that long term it can save you thousands, hence its growing in popularity. There are many massive shaving website and communities set up and they are growing at a huge rate. When I first got into it there was only a few shaving websites around online but now theres tons, and whenever I see Gillette paying for a new product launch ad on facebook I'm always really encouraged to see most of the 10,000 or so comments are people posting photos of their DE razors that they've been using for years. Funny that Gillette actually still produce DE blades as well.
 
I had a lesson at 'The Art of Shaving' in Vegas. Everything was explained and the shave the barber managed to do was absolutely brilliant. My shaves are pretty good but still not perfect.

Have you mapped out your face? I think its one of the things people dont do as they assume everything grows in the same direction. It's easy to learn which order to do your passes in, but if you map it out its often surprising to learn which parts of your face grow in which directions. The other option is to get a slant which is a bit more aggressive, which can remove some of the need for that depending on your skin type. I bounce back and forth between a slant and a standard.
 
Thanks all for the advice - I'm pretty sure its the angle I'm holding the razor that's the main issue for me so perseverance I guess is the key.

Might be a stupid question but are all blades the same size? The feather one I'm trying doesn't seem to protrude much from the razor, are others wider, ie will protrude more?
 
all blades should be approximately the same size give or take a minor amount, to make them universal.

personally I think feather blades can be very good but I also think they are the worst sort of blade to start out with due to how sharp they are, making it very easy to make mistakes.

For a set of starter blades I would look at Astra, Gillette Blue, Lord etc or pick up a sampler set, but re-reading your post again and seeing that you are using a feather blade I can see this potentially being the culprit - its a bit like giving a lambo to a 16 year old imo - they might drive it just fine but provably wrap it round a tree!
 
For some brands to try check out this poll of peoples favourites - but as has been said a sampler is a good way to do it because different facial hair and skin types will react in different ways - feather are up there because once you know what you are doing they can be great, but for now I would go with Astra and the like personally!

https://poll.pollcode.com/8jlw12_result
 
Well after 14 days of persevering and trying a selection of different blades ( can't say I noticed any difference between them though) I'm no further forward. The best shave I can get with a DE razor is nowhere near as good as the shave with a Gillette Sensor.

People say don't use any force & let the weight of the razor do the work but all that happens then is the razor just moves the soap around my face. Any semblance of pressure results in uneven shave & cuts/nicks.

Doesn't help I have Desperate Dan type stubble but unless it suddenly clicks and I get better results I think the razor and the blades will be getting consigned to the back of the bathroom cabinet after a few more tries.
 
Are you hearing the blade cut the hairs, sounds like a 'scritch' type of noise to me? Try changing the angle of the head until you hear the change in tone.
 
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