Wow. Latest Hartlepool polling...

InglebyUTB said:
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Astonishing. The working classes belief that multimillionaires, representing several establishment billionaires will bring about capitalist eutopia. Not to mention, voting in a prime minister who gave a back bench speech all but flogging the NHS a decade ago. Now 58 American insurance companies own UK surgeries. Its GAMMON UK
 
r00fie1 said:
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This is the blog to which Jack G was referring and its that which I found interesting. It so happens that Mr Sayer is the executive editor and its always important to understand who funds, who supports and who writes for an organisation. (y)
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He appears to have written two for the Guardian in February 2016.

He's also written a negative report on the Guardian when they were challenging the Great Barrington declaration supporting the allowing of infections to get to herd immunity.
 
Glover_elbow said:
i don't think its just Brexit, the Tories with Houchen are perceived to have done more for the area including Hartlepool in terms of new investment and jobs, recently than labour did when last in power. Theres a lot of working class disenfranchisement with labour.
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The problem is must Hartlepool folk don’t class themselves part of Teesside - but maybe they could be swayed
 
Boro Devonport said:
Astonishing. The working classes belief that multimillionaires, representing several establishment billionaires will bring about capitalist eutopia. Not to mention, voting in a prime minister who gave a back bench speech all but flogging the NHS a decade ago. Now 58 American insurance companies own UK surgeries. Its GAMMON UK
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How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the twentieth century.

Aneurin Bevan
 
bear66 said:
Is he an American insurance company? And which ones does he have an interest in?
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I didnt say he was... I was clearly pointing out that he is in fact an owner of "nhs" GP Surgeries.... He is a direct beneficiary of something he (and Labour) have campaigned against.

he has been involved with/on the board of the following:

Parent Infant foundation
HASH

And a few others that names currently escape me.
 
bear66 said:
He appears to have written two for the Guardian in February 2016.

He's also written a negative report on the Guardian when they were challenging the Great Barrington declaration supporting the allowing of infections to get to herd immunity.
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Hes a freelance.
Its his motivation Im interested in. (y)
 
Youngie said:
I didnt say he was... I was clearly pointing out that he is in fact an owner of "nhs" GP Surgeries.... He is a direct beneficiary of something he (and Labour) have campaigned against.

he has been involved with/on the board of the following:

Parent Infant foundation
HASH

And a few others that names currently escape me.
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So it's fair to say he isn't an American insurance company that you wanted to add a fair comparative comment.

I don't believe either of those are GP surgeries. Which GP surgeries is he an owner of?

He's not listed as staff or even a non-paid Trustee on the Parent Infant Foundation website.
 
'Since Hartlepool constituency was founded in 1974 the combined votes of: The Conservatives UKIP/Brexit & far right parties ...has ALWAYS been higher than 33% at election time. The only exceptions were 1997, 2001 & 2005... ...when Tony Blair was leader of the Labour Party.

Indeed for half the elections since 1974, the right + far right in Hartlepool got 40-60% of the vote. The idea that Labour is suddenly struggling here because “it’s moved away from the left” or because “the red-wall has suddenly fallen for the right” simply doesn’t hold up.

The idea that places like Hartlepool are moving away from Labour because “it’s not left wing enough”... ...is ahistorical nonsense promoted by people who are trying to shoehorn in a narrative that simply isn’t true and/or don’t know the area.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1389491451889860609
 
What you likely won’t see in the reporting. And that’s not necessarily due to “political bias” but because the media - and many others - like lazy narratives.

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'So if you were to sum up 47 years of Hartlepool electoral history:

1974-1992 - Labour held off Tories in often relatively close elections

1997-2005 - Blair destroys the Tory vote in the constituency

2010-2019 - Labour holds the seat as right wing vote split

Another view: Hartlepool got within 1 500 swing votes of a Tory MP in 1983 when Labour had its most leftwing leader in it’s then history and Margret Thatcher was standing on the back of a “patriotic Falklands victory campaign”. While the Conservatives’ lowest point came in 2004 & 2005 directly following the high point of Britain’s involvement in Iraq war. I offer no judgment here on the war. Merely to say that these are the electoral facts.

So to the final point: 2021 The right/far-right vote is now coalesced into one party - the Conservatives ..while the non-right vote is split between 4-5 parties expected to get somewhere between 45-55%. In other words: the exact opposite of the last 4 elections.'

https://twitter.com/x/status/1389493617371267075
 
Lefty said:
'So if you were to sum up 47 years of Hartlepool electoral history:

1974-1992 - Labour held off Tories in often relatively close elections

1997-2005 - Blair destroys the Tory vote in the constituency

2010-2019 - Labour holds the seat as right wing vote split

Another view: Hartlepool got within 1 500 swing votes of a Tory MP in 1983 when Labour had its most leftwing leader in it’s then history and Margret Thatcher was standing on the back of a “patriotic Falklands victory campaign”. While the Conservatives’ lowest point came in 2004 & 2005 directly following the high point of Britain’s involvement in Iraq war. I offer no judgment here on the war. Merely to say that these are the electoral facts.

So to the final point: 2021 The right/far-right vote is now coalesced into one party - the Conservatives ..while the non-right vote is split between 4-5 parties expected to get somewhere between 45-55%. In other words: the exact opposite of the last 4 elections.'

https://twitter.com/x/status/1389493617371267075
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Thanks for posting, that’s an interesting read.

I think the other point missed by lazy southern journalists is that one half of Hartlepool has always been wealthy and is a natural traditional Tory vote.
 
Youngie said:
I didnt say he was... I was clearly pointing out that he is in fact an owner of "nhs" GP Surgeries.... He is a direct beneficiary of something he (and Labour) have campaigned against.

he has been involved with/on the board of the following:

Parent Infant foundation
HASH

And a few others that names currently escape me.
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Nothing against making money it’s the reduction of access the Tories advocate
 
WeeGord said:
And its this sort of attitude that shows you up as the Tory that you are. I didn't come to you with opinion I showed you facts. You couldn't argue against it, so rather than admit it and show yourself as a Tory you ignored it.

To then make silly remarks about taking a deep breath and going for a walk only serves to again show you up as unable to back up your points and try to deflect with childish responses.
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1. How many times, I am not a Tory. But I also cannot support Labour because of their current inadequacies. It doesn't have to be one or the other!
2. I don't need to back up my opinions because that is what they are, opinions. We are all entitled to them.
3. I haven't made any childish responses, well no more than you anyway.
4. You seem very angry, and for some reason have decided to come after me regardless of what I post.
5. Have a good night (y)
 
uncle_rico said:
1. How many times, I am not a Tory. But I also cannot support Labour because of their current inadequacies. It doesn't have to be one or the other!
2. I don't need to back up my opinions because that is what they are, opinions. We are all entitled to them.
3. I haven't made any childish responses, well no more than you anyway.
4. You seem very angry, and for some reason have decided to come after me regardless of what I post.
5. Have a good night (y)
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Utterly ridiculous response - before the other day I don't think we had engaged in any sort of debate for months and months so to suggest I come after you is absurd. You're entitled to your opinion of course, I presented FACTS to you though which you then ignored and have subsequently carried on your Labour bashing on another post instead, which is what I have pulled you up on.

To then make daft statements like I seem very angry sums up someone who can't back up what they say. I'm very rarely angry and certainly wouldn't get angry at some anonymous person on a message board and saying so just shows that in this regard you're simply deflecting and unable to back up your points.

Enjoy your evening (y)
 
'Now we're out of the EU we should start using our own terms.

Instead of Stockholm syndrome, the tragic experience of joining the aggressors / captors should from now on be called Hartlepool syndrome'
 
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