Nobby_Barnes
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Cos I'm down there right now getting all the whispers and leaks
This what I'm hearing
Con 60%
Dr Lab 40%
Others 10%
Monster Raving Loony 9%
PS I was never very good at maths
Wow. Latest Hartlepool polling...
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This what I'm hearing
Con 60%
Dr Lab 40%
Others 10%
Monster Raving Loony 9%
PS I was never very good at maths
dorivasmiddlefinger
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An unbelievable post. I really hope there is no one in Labour with this line of thinking. In what world were you living when at any point a 'majority' thought leaving the UK was bad??! If anything people became more staunch in their views. Utterly bizarre. I can only assume your reference is people you know personally and assume you're not North East based?
Lefty
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I am north east based. I can't say I knew them personally, but there were two marches on London with 1 million people and 6 million signed an online petition, remember? Farage's march to leave got about 60 people on it and one of them was curious me. Have you forgotten how pro EU parties got more votes than ConBrexit parties at the European elections.
But if you really want to know why I think a majority of the country realised leaving the EU was a mistake, the evidence is in the polls.
From July 2017, a year after the referendum, right up until 31 January 2020, the date we actually irrevocably left, there was only a single poll that had a majority that thought leaving was the right decision, out of about 75 polls. Generally there was a bigger gap than 52-48 as well.
Maybe it is your view that is based only on people you know personally, in fact?
I'm sorry to cite evidence, but presumably you'll accept my view is not 'unbelievable'.
dorivasmiddlefinger
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And yet here we are with a massive majority conservative government who electioneered primarily on a Brexit commitment.
The 2nd ref / remain Labour leadership and remain Lib Dems nowhere. Strange isnt it...
NoMushroom
Active member
17.4 Million voted to Leave in the 2016 Brexit Ref, remember? .... your 1 million and 6 million figures means nothing
NYboro
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Out of a population of 66 million......
NoMushroom
Active member
But 1.3 Million MORE votes than the remain total of 16.1 - we all knew the rules of the game, don't try and change it now
Cardiffdaffs
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There are three reasons for voting Brexit that I have come across
1. Disaster capitalists expecting to make/retain money as a consequence
2. Hatred of foreigners
3. Sold a lie that things will return to “the good old days of the 1960s“. And if it doesn’t , and it won’t, at least it would have p1ssed off lots of others too.
Don't think I have missed anything
I think you have. It was an anti-Westminster vote for some. The leaders of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid, and the Greens were all telling people to remain. From the 2017 election onwards it looked like the tories would lose more seats at the next election. Then after May went and Boris took over he turned brexit in to a Tories vs Westminster battle when he prorogued Parliament and sacked 25 odd of his own MPs. After that the tories surged ahead and cleaned up.
Lefty
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There it comes down to the first past the post system combined with a wishy washy confused Labour message, an unelectable leader and a failure to form a 2nd referendum electoral alliance.
Labour voters overwhelmingly wanted to Remain. Labour members even more overwhelmingly wanted to Remain. Corbyn’s inner circle did not. They did to the Party and the country what the PLP tried to do to Corbyn in 2015/16.
Lefty
Well-known member
They demonstrate exactly why, combined with the polls, we didn’t get a second referendum. Brexiters simply weren’t interested in the will of the people after all. We are doing what a mere 35% of leave voters wanted in June 2016. 66m doing what 6m want. A very ill informed, misled, largely consequence free 6m at that.
r00fie1
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Johnson wouldnt have the balls now to go with the electorate.
He has locked the door firmly behind him and heaped schitt on the people outside.
His aim and those around him was not a positive one, of achieving power to "do good", but to fend off the tide of feeling to end austerity and a significant leap left-wards in mainstream politics.
Having achieved his Parliamentary aim - his objectives - ie using Brexit as a tool and a lever to power - is no longer relevant.
Orwell, amongst others, summons up the current British domestic political situation quite accurately:
The point being, the "oxygen" which fuels the fires of corruption and power will, by its very nature lead to more greed and lust for more power - ultimately the fires will become starved of oxygen and those who lived off it will become forgotten men - despised by those who were gullible and hood-winked enough to believe them.
He has locked the door firmly behind him and heaped schitt on the people outside.
His aim and those around him was not a positive one, of achieving power to "do good", but to fend off the tide of feeling to end austerity and a significant leap left-wards in mainstream politics.
Having achieved his Parliamentary aim - his objectives - ie using Brexit as a tool and a lever to power - is no longer relevant.
Orwell, amongst others, summons up the current British domestic political situation quite accurately:
The point being, the "oxygen" which fuels the fires of corruption and power will, by its very nature lead to more greed and lust for more power - ultimately the fires will become starved of oxygen and those who lived off it will become forgotten men - despised by those who were gullible and hood-winked enough to believe them.
WeeGord
Well-known member
I always though longer queues favoured Labour as Tories were much more likely to use postal votes. I sincerely hope the long queues are mostly Labour supporters - I can't see a Labour victory sadly but I really hope we do.
Zoophonic
Well-known member
Think that one could be put in the No 3 locker. Let’s just call it daft.
TeaCider
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There's definitely more to it than just Brexit alone, but it's definitely looking like a massive own goal to have picked Paul Williams for this by-election.
You could see the issue of his selection a mile off, so I'm surprised that Labour went for him.
Think I'm losing my £10 on a Labour win in the morning, hopefully I wake up to a surprise Hold.
You could see the issue of his selection a mile off, so I'm surprised that Labour went for him.
Think I'm losing my £10 on a Labour win in the morning, hopefully I wake up to a surprise Hold.
How many 'disaster capitalists' do you think are out there? A few, for sure, but not tens of thousands and definitely not hundreds of thousands.
Hatred of foreigners? Again, some but not huge numbers.
Maybe a return to the 1960s, but that also seems an unlikely vote winner because to remember the 1960s properly you'd have to be at least 75 by the time of the 2017 referendum. I wonder if enough people thought the 1960s were that good to make a difference.
Perhaps it's more about people believing that the UK could make its own way in the 21st century because there's a big, motivated workforce that can make things and deliver services without the bureaucratic EU involvement. I have no idea whether that's the case, or not, but this desire for self determinism is a powerful tool.
I wonder who enforced his selection?
As per reports at the time the local Labour Party had a list drawn up... he wasn’t on it.
he was campaigning for the PCC (which to be honest he was/should have been a shoe in for it)
Then the next thing you know he is the one and only candidate in Hartlepool and the local Labour Party made it clear it want their decision
Looks like a massive own goal for Labour and he has egg on his face for not getting either role.
Primus84
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As a member of the Hartlepool CLP I can tell you it was a selection imposed upon us and although I think he'd be a great MP I think it was outrageously stupid to nominate him for Hartlepool.