Would you be in favour of COVID passports to get back in the Riverside?

BoroMart said:
would require some kind of application that allows you to register a test kit, then produce either a print out with a barcode, or a barcode on your phone screen via an app.
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Call me a cynic but unless the app and the test are somehow linked together it relies on the person being tested to input the test result which is easy to abuse if you just tell the app you've had a negative test
 
Not for me.

The government said we need to vaccinate our way out of this if we want to return to normal. First it was all about vaccinating the vulnerable, then over 50s, now all adults and I am guessing all kids too eventually? It feels like the goalposts are constantly being moved to avert any return to normality. I can just seen it now, cases spiking during the summer but even with less hospital admission and deaths, we are plunged into another lockdown then we will hear the murmurs of autumn coming, colder weather, booster jabs and ANOTHER WAVE.

If last year, anybody said anything about vaccine passports, you would have been labelled a conspiracy theorist. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't there a post/poster comparing this with China's social credit system? Which effectively prevents you from purchasing/buying/doing anything outside (or even inside) your own home without permission from authorities? Logistically it does sound easy, a green QR code and you are free to do what you want, but people are overlooking the principle. That of incessantly awaiting permission off the government for you to enjoy liberties you once had before COVID. I have never known such a transformation in the relationship between the state and its citizens since that of the last twelve months.

I am getting the feeling that there are some people who genuinely don't want a return to 'normal'. That they are quite happy with governments imposing lockdowns at the drop of a hat. If people who do support vaccine passports but want them only as a short term solution, then answer the question of at what point do we ditch them and accept that they aren't needed? Zero cases and deaths for a month? two months? three? It just simply isn't going to happen. We have to accept that there will be people at the match, on public transport, in your office or at ASDA, carrying COVID. Following the science and now the data were the government's favourite soundbites, well this time, actually do follow the data and if everything is pointing south and not north, open everything as normal. This could have easily been put in the bud by categorically ruling them out. Instead they flirted with the idea and now businesses are anxious, all completely avoidable.
 
I have a driving licence to let me drive and to show to authorities when required, i have a pass port i show before getting on a plane, i have an NHS number, i have a national insurance number.
So why would having a card of some sort to show im in a position not to pass on a virus bother me ?
 
Not sure how it would work back at a higher capacity game - I don't think it would be right or fair on fans or MFC matchday employees to have responsibility for checking, but I can't imagine it being a cheap exercise if outsourced to a team with medical expertise. I could see with a group of four 2 people being allowed in fine, one person knocked back, another needing to wait around for another check etc. I think it would be chaos.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Seems like this is the direction of travel


www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Passports showing vaccine status would be time-limited, says minister

The FA Cup final will be among events to only admit fans who get a negative test or prove immunity.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I have put this question to the Boro and hopefully we will get an answer, though it could be subject to national guidance. I have also asked that a fan be represented on the local Safety Advisory Group (police, ambulance, fire, council, club) that lay down the ground-rules for the safe return of fans to the Riverside.
 
Boroproud said:
I have a driving licence to let me drive and to show to authorities when required, i have a pass port i show before getting on a plane, i have an NHS number, i have a national insurance number.
So why would having a card of some sort to show im in a position not to pass on a virus bother me ?
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Because you miss the point entirely si the answer to that question BP.
 
Laughing said:
Because you miss the point entirely si the answer to that question BP.
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There is no point Laughing. People have made their minds up.
Some, emphasis on the word 'some', have let themselves be injected with something that they now believe doesn't make a jot of difference unless it comes with a QR code or a shiny card.

I wouldn't waste time on it anymore mate to be honest.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm invited to, but I won't be giving my money to businesses that require proof of my vaccination to enter.
A two tier society is on it's way, I don't like it, but a campaign of fear led by behavioural scientists and government ministers has made it inevitable.
 
Randy said:
There is no point Laughing. People have made their minds up.
Some, emphasis on the word 'some', have let themselves be injected with something that they now believe doesn't make a jot of difference unless it comes with a QR code or a shiny card.

I wouldn't waste time on it anymore mate to be honest.

I'll get the vaccine when I'm invited to, but I won't be giving my money to businesses that require proof of my vaccination to enter.
A two tier society is on it's way, I don't like it, but a campaign of fear led by behavioural scientists and government ministers has made it inevitable.
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I think that's an over reaction if I'm honest.
 
Boroproud said:
I have a driving licence to let me drive and to show to authorities when required, i have a pass port i show before getting on a plane, i have an NHS number, i have a national insurance number.
So why would having a card of some sort to show im in a position not to pass on a virus bother me ?
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I think identification is one thing, or proving you can safely drive a car.

Forcing someone to prove they have injected something into their body is another. Yeah it all seems fine and necessary now, but it sets precedents which cannot be undone regardless of who becomes the leader of the country in the future.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think identification is one thing, or proving you can safely drive a car.

Forcing someone to prove they have injected something into their body is another. Yeah it all seems fine and necessary now, but it sets precedents which cannot be undone regardless of who becomes the leader of the country in the future.
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I've needed yellow fever vaccination certificates to visit many countries for decades.
 
bear66 said:
I've needed yellow fever vaccination certificates to visit many countries for decades.
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I have no issue needing one to visit other countries. I don't have any say in their laws and I don't have to visit them if I don't want (and I've had them all to visit Africa/India myself).

I do have a say here, and I have no choice about 'visiting' here.
 
SmallTown said:
The last paragraph
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Well it'll become a reality if passports are brought in won't it? There are still people who can't have the vaccine, or won't for medical reasons (which should remain private to them) and those who just don't want it for their own reasons. Like I said to Laughing though it's a waste of time discussing it.

Just for a little bit of hope to those who have been vaccinated though.... 32.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Exclusive: Only 32 people hospitalised with Covid after having vaccination

Scientists ‘delighted’ with data showing effectiveness of Britain’s jabs programme but Boris Johnson says he will not deviate from roadmap
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
Randy said:
Well it'll become a reality if passports are brought in won't it? There are still people who can't have the vaccine, or won't for medical reasons (which should remain private to them) and those who just don't want it for their own reasons. Like I said to Laughing though it's a waste of time discussing it.

Just for a little bit of hope to those who have been vaccinated though.... 32.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Exclusive: Only 32 people hospitalised with Covid after having vaccination

Scientists ‘delighted’ with data showing effectiveness of Britain’s jabs programme but Boris Johnson says he will not deviate from roadmap
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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I would say they have to start looking at exemptions for people who can't have the vaccine on health grounds. That's the only tricky one. Those who refuse to have it simply won't get entrance to places where it is mandatory. No different to the yellow fever certificates mentioned
 
SmallTown said:
I would say they have to start looking at exemptions for people who can't have the vaccine on health grounds. That's the only tricky one. Those who refuse to have it simply won't get entrance to places where it is mandatory. No different to the yellow fever certificates mentioned
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Really? Which cafes do you need a yellow fever vaccination for?
 
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