Will the ban on the sale of petrol/diesel cars happen in 7 years?

Gunslinger said:
Yeh, that's fine, you drive whatever vehicle you want

I have my own preference

Theres seems to be a resentment to people who have a mind of their own when it comes to choosing your own form of transport
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I have never really understood some of these threads. I find them interesting but mostly because of the evangelising of ev's.

drive what you like. If you want a cute old classic, knock yourself out. If you wanna drive a chelsea tractor, have at it. If your thing is an ev, go ahead. Anyone who thinks switching from an x5 to a tesla is saving the planet, I do have a bit of bad news for you.
 
Gunslinger said:
Yeh, that's fine, you drive whatever vehicle you want

I have my own preference

Theres seems to be a resentment to people who have a mind of their own when it comes to choosing your own form of transport
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I think the debate is that you won't be able to drive your "vehicle of choice" soon. Regardless if your personal choice surely you can see that, whilst we have a need for personal transport, that we have to go down the electric route. My point is you seem to be trying to resist something that is better for the planet
 
Laughing said:
I have never really understood some of these threads. I find them interesting but mostly because of the evangelising of ev's.

drive what you like. If you want a cute old classic, knock yourself out. If you wanna drive a chelsea tractor, have at it. If your thing is an ev, go ahead. Anyone who thinks switching from an x5 to a tesla is saving the planet, I do have a bit of bad news for you.
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I don't think it's "evangelising". EV are the immediate future whether we like it or not. A lot of it is trying to educate people and dispel the often repeated myths about EV. We will all have to have EV soon if we want cars (and I agree with your earlier comments btw, it should be the need for cars we remove).

So no, it's not about personal choice, just as I don't choose to use leaded petrol in my OH car, or I don't choose to have CFCs in my fridge, or filament light bulbs in my home anymore
 
SmallTown said:
I don't think it's "evangelising". EV are the immediate future whether we like it or not. A lot of it is trying to educate people and dispel the often repeated myths about EV. We will all have to have EV soon if we want cars (and I agree with your earlier comments btw, it should be the need for cars we remove).

So no, it's not about personal choice, just as I don't choose to use leaded petrol in my OH car, or I don't choose to have CFCs in my fridge, or filament light bulbs in my home anymore
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Petrol cars will always be an option, perhaps not new ones is all.

I have a spitefire and an rx8 and i don't see me getting rid of either in the next 10 years.
 
Laughing said:
Petrol cars will always be an option, perhaps not new ones is all.

I have a spitefire and an rx8 and i don't see me getting rid of either in the next 10 years.
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i guess I meant as a daily driver. Agree on the other bit for now at least. I still have that dream of getting an El Camino SS
 
SmallTown said:
i guess I meant as a daily driver. Agree on the other bit for now at least. I still have that dream of getting an El Camino SS
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It isn't even just for now. I could still by a lead additive for the spitfire. I don't need to as I had the valves hardened to use unleaded. It is still an option for drivers of classic cars.

the rx8 is my daily driver btw.
 
Laughing said:
It isn't even just for now. I could still by a lead additive for the spitfire. I don't need to as I had the valves hardened to use unleaded. It is still an option for drivers of classic cars.

the rx8 is my daily driver btw.
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Yeah but ICE cars haven't been banned yet. There'll be a model for classic cars. The owtorl car replaced the horse but we still use horses.

8ts just that the daily drivers will be EV.
 
SmallTown said:
I think the debate is that you won't be able to drive your "vehicle of choice" soon. Regardless if your personal choice surely you can see that, whilst we have a need for personal transport, that we have to go down the electric route. My point is you seem to be trying to resist something that is better for the planet
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I will be able to drive what i want actually and i am - because the new laws only prohibit the sale of new petrol or diesel cars from 2030, not a blanket ban on all petrol and diesel cars on Jan the 1st 2030

So that's a minimum 10 years with my current car at least - that is not 'soon' by any stretch, it's a decade

I am not resisting anything because resitance implies i am under some force or pressure to do something when i am not , it's hillarious you percieve yourself as
a saviour of the planet because your driving an EV around and using that to fire off self righteous sleights at people who drive cars powered by petrol or diesel, its
almost as if you have never heard of the 1st law of thermodynamics
 
MolteniArcore said:
Strange argument - you could probably get there in an EV with one top up charge charge, deffo two? And that wouldn't be a problem as I would imagine you stopped for 30 mins for comfort breaks at least once or twice.

I'm not an EV owner but the range issue seems like a non argument. We visit Kent a lot and that's 240 miles. We need to stop on the way and usually grab some food. We could easily top up when stopping.

"different people need different solutions with transport" - I totally get that and agree. Maybe you need a 2 tonne SUV but most people don't. 80% of journeys in the UK are less than 5 miles...
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Most people could get by living in an 80 square meter house - what are you suggesting, banning sales on new houses over 80 square meters in 2030 and then startign a demolishing program for all the other houses in the UK and installing solar panels and heat pumps in rows of rows of concrete jungle type apartments with energy grade A efficieny?

People are getting so ridiculous with this EV **** it's embarrasing

I live in Germany and i use my bicycle to work everyday - i live in a remote part of germany where the nearest charging station is 1 hour round trip, i use my car once a week to go shopping which is a 10kmhround trip, why should i sell my car and trade it in for a car that i would need to work 5 years to pay off

Instead of constantly ramming it down peoples throats how they are all killing the planet, at least consider we all have different carbon footprints and the non ownership of an EV's does not by definition mean we are contributing to global warming more than somebody who lives in a 5 bedroom house with gas central heating with 3 EV's driving 2000 miles a week
 
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Gunslinger said:
I live in Germany and i use my bicycle to work everyday - i live in a remote part of germany where the nearest charging station is 1 hour round trip, i use my car once a week to go shopping which is a 10km round trip, why shoudl i sell my car and trade it in for a car that i would need to work 5 years to pay off
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Nobody is asking or telling you to.

But in seven years time you will probably find charging stations in pretty much every village and certainly most supermarkets and shopping malls.

Leccy cars are expensive now, so were the first ICE cars until the Ford Model T (and equivalent cars elsewhere).

The only change in 2030 is that you will not be able to buy a NEW ICE car. That's it. Given how reliable modern ICE cars are you will probably have another ten to fifteen years after that before it becomes a problem.

Gunslinger said:
Instead of constantly ramming peopels throats how they are all killing the planet, at least consider we all have different carbon footprints and the non ownership of an EV's does not by definition mean we are contributing to global warming more
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It is certainly not true. Take old laughing chop's Triumph Spitfire, his carbon footprint for doing (I'm guessing here) maybe 5000 miles pa is miniscule compared to ST in his Leccy car. Because the 40 year old car has long since ceased to generate CO2 from its manufacture. The mantra of the green lobby is "Reduce - Reuse - Recycle", continuing to repair and reuse your old ICE car is far greener than paying for a new Tesla/Polestar/Kia/etc.
 
Gunslinger said:
Most people could get by living in an 80 square meter house - what are you suggesting, banning sales on new houses over 80 square meters in 2030 and then startign a demolishing program for all the other houses in the UK and installing solar panels and heat pumps in rows of rows of concrete jungle type apartments with energy grade A efficieny?

People are getting so ridiculous with this EV **** it's embarrasing

I live in Germany and i use my bicycle to work everyday - i live in a remote part of germany where the nearest charging station is 1 hour round trip, i use my car once a week to go shopping which is a 10kmhround trip, why should i sell my car and trade it in for a car that i would need to work 5 years to pay off

Instead of constantly ramming it down peoples throats how they are all killing the planet, at least consider we all have different carbon footprints and the non ownership of an EV's does not by definition mean we are contributing to global warming more than somebody who lives in a 5 bedroom house with gas central heating with 3 EV's driving 2000 miles a week
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Spot on.

You would have loved the threads with comments about depopulation and reducing the amount of children born every day.

all comments made by those with children bizarrely
 
Muttley said:
Nobody is asking or telling you to.

But in seven years time you will probably find charging stations in pretty much every village and certainly most supermarkets and shopping malls.

Leccy cars are expensive now, so were the first ICE cars until the Ford Model T (and equivalent cars elsewhere).

The only change in 2030 is that you will not be able to buy a NEW ICE car. That's it. Given how reliable modern ICE cars are you will probably have another ten to fifteen years after that before it becomes a problem.


It is certainly not true. Take old laughing chop's Triumph Spitfire, his carbon footprint for doing (I'm guessing here) maybe 5000 miles pa is miniscule compared to ST in his Leccy car. Because the 40 year old car has long since ceased to generate CO2 from its manufacture. The mantra of the green lobby is "Reduce - Reuse - Recycle", continuing to repair and reuse your old ICE car is far greener than paying for a new Tesla/Polestar/Kia/etc.
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Exactly

The level of SMUG by EV owners is actually laughable

There is a huge cloud of SMUG being generated by EV owners , it's larger than the George Clooney oscars award SMUG cloud that he generated when he and hollywood took personal credit for making
the world aware of aids and famine etc
 
Redwurzel said:
Most countries the ban is 2035 not 2030.

I don't think the Governement can afford to give new incentives, by 2030 they would have lost and be losing billions in fuel duty and VAT from lower petrol and diesel sales.
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Those losses will have to be covered somewhere down the line. I doubt it will be on domestic electricity bills, which probably means congestion charges or tolls, road tax based on mileage as well as emissions or another new tax.
 
changingman said:
Our approach to purchasing cars (buy cheap second hand and run into the ground) seems timebound at best given the upcoming legislative changes. Next car will probably be electric as result.

Primarily cross-city trips and the odd longer (c 2 hour) trip home. Anything it can't cope with or becomes unpractical will be picked up by the train I guess.
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You'll still be able to buy cheap second hand cars and there'll be a glut of mechanics trained to fix them. Fuel will gradually become harder to get but that will take a long time.
 
SilentProf said:
Those losses will have to be covered somewhere down the line. I doubt it will be on domestic electricity bills, which probably means congestion charges or tolls, road tax based on mileage as well as emissions or another new tax.
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The same tax they are using on bigger engined cars now will be applied to cars with a higher Kw/H output or cars that does less KM per charge

In the same way everybody jumped onto the diesel bandwagon when it was cheap - took 5 minutes for the government to tax it to oblivion

As soon as there is too big a void from losing money for fuel tax they will start to hammer everybody driving EV's, it will be sooner rather than later depending on
how soon people switch to EV's, especially in a country with a failing economy like brexit broken britian

The countries economy will be prioritized over saving polar bears, if you think any different your deluded
 
Muttley said:
Nobody is asking or telling you to.

But in seven years time you will probably find charging stations in pretty much every village and certainly most supermarkets and shopping malls.

Leccy cars are expensive now, so were the first ICE cars until the Ford Model T (and equivalent cars elsewhere).

The only change in 2030 is that you will not be able to buy a NEW ICE car. That's it. Given how reliable modern ICE cars are you will probably have another ten to fifteen years after that before it becomes a problem.


It is certainly not true. Take old laughing chop's Triumph Spitfire, his carbon footprint for doing (I'm guessing here) maybe 5000 miles pa is miniscule compared to ST in his Leccy car. Because the 40 year old car has long since ceased to generate CO2 from its manufacture. The mantra of the green lobby is "Reduce - Reuse - Recycle", continuing to repair and reuse your old ICE car is far greener than paying for a new Tesla/Polestar/Kia/etc.
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Probably more like 2k a year. My rx8 gets the key to the door this year too. I guess I am a green hero.
 
Gunslinger said:
I will be able to drive what i want actually and i am - because the new laws only prohibit the sale of new petrol or diesel cars from 2030, not a blanket ban on all petrol and diesel cars on Jan the 1st 2030

So that's a minimum 10 years with my current car at least - that is not 'soon' by any stretch, it's a decade

I am not resisting anything because resitance implies i am under some force or pressure to do something when i am not , it's hillarious you percieve yourself as
a saviour of the planet because your driving an EV around and using that to fire off self righteous sleights at people who drive cars powered by petrol or diesel, its
almost as if you have never heard of the 1st law of thermodynamics
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I don't perceive myself as a saviur of the planet. Just trying to explain to you how EV work because we'll all be driving them eventually.
 
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