Will the ban on the sale of petrol/diesel cars happen in 7 years?

MolteniArcore said:
The only thing that might be a problem is battery deg but like any ICE car you do your homework and check what condition the battery is in before buying.

The first gen batteries appear not to last long but if it is a newer one the buyer might find a good un. But you wouldn't buy one with a knackered battery just like you wouldn't buy an ICE car with a clonking engine.
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How do you know if the battery is close to kaput?

The car charges, you'd only discover the battery is failing when you'd been out on the road for a while.
 
Soutra said:
How do you know if the battery is close to kaput?

The car charges, you'd only discover the battery is failing when you'd been out on the road for a while.
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The Leaf has a battery meter that goes form 1-12. Anything below 8 and it's kaput according to a quick google.

Like with ICE cars if people do their research, test drive, get other opinions etc they won't go too wrong.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
What's that got to do with his new house building nonsense and the fiction about a petrol crisis that most haven't been touched by.

Why frustration, is it because people are apprehensive about dipping their toe in, and why 'frustration' anyway?

It's frustrating that you're not using public transport for many but that's not going to persuade you not to give your car up.

They will when they're ready and feel confident that the infrastructure is there and they can actually afford an EV.

You're in a fairly weather minority that can, most people are looking for affordable second hand cars and for many an ICE is the only option. For many others infrastructure anxiety is a problem. They're not going to get over this listening to the EV anorak brigade, they'll get over it as EV driving becomes more of a norm and facilities reflect that.
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New build housing was just another example of how people have very strong opinions based only on bad news ignoring all the good news but don't hold the alternative to the same standard. Surely you understand how comparisons and examples work? And the petrol shortage was another example where if you were applying the same logic to ICE as you do EV you wouldn't dismiss ICE cars because there was once a shortage. Both examples are to highlight the absurdity of only listening to the negatives on one side of a debate.

All the stories and negative press are badged as independent reviews but they aren't. They are agenda driven, whether that is paid for by the oil/car companies who stand to lose from the shift to EV or are just journalists that know there is only a story when things don't work so deliberately choose an isolated test case that has no bearing on reality. Instead, look for the tests done by long-term reviewers or owners with lived experience etc.

It is absolutely fair to say that you have a budget and an EV is currently outside of that or you have no way of charging at home so it would be too inconvenient or you have a 100 mile each way commute or whatever genuine reason an EV wouldn't work for you but all of the disingenuous one-off examples are just irrelevant.
 
Nano said:
Fully agree that there is a big difference if you don't have a home (or office) charger. Charging should be passive. It should happen when you are doing something else and if you have no home access then it becomes active, i.e. you have to leave the house just to charge, and that isn't convenient.

On the 2nd point, none of those things would be exclusive to an EV. All those things are controlled by the car's electronics. The motor in an EV and the engine in an ICE are swapped but the majority of the car is the same. The brakes are probably to do with the assisted driving modes spotting something that isn't there which any new car has these days as it is just a fancier version of cruise control.
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yeah I just dont hear about these problems hardly with regular cars, but everyone I know with electric ones have moaned about all sorts of things like this again and again.
 
muniz said:
yeah I just dont hear about these problems hardly with regular cars, but everyone I know with electric ones have moaned about all sorts of things like this again and again.
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That's not correct though is it? You're talking about systems that ICE cars have, and can just as easily fail on them. This is becoming one of the biggest frustrations now. I've read a least 4 things on here which people have said are a problem with EV that aren't they are a problems with all cars
 
muniz said:
yeah I just dont hear about these problems hardly with regular cars, but everyone I know with electric ones have moaned about all sorts of things like this again and again.
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Probably because you aren't comparing like with like. EVs are new and they are often sold with all of the bells and whistles included to be more attractive for the extra cost whereas most ICE cars are still sold at base model so don't have all of the fancy gadgets. Or you are including all of the people that have cars a decade old that don't have any of the electrics in anyway. There is nothing in the way that the car is powered that would make those universal components more likely to not work in an EV than an ICE.
 
Laughing said:
Just to add some context an article from last year suggests ev's have more problems than ice cars, again ST make of it what you will.

www.carscoops.com

ICE Cars More Reliable Than Electric Cars, Study Shows | Carscoops

Despite the simplicity of the powertrain, electric car owners report more problems within the first few years of ownership
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Not sure why you have to make everything personal? Why me and not everyone else trying to counteract the misinformation? It's unnecceasry.

How much of that can be attributed to the 150 year head start in development ICE vehicle shave had I wonder?

One other point to consider is Tesla hold a huge share of the EV market and they are known to make unrellable vehicles. it would be interesting to see the survey without them? EV could very well have a Tesla problem
 
Laughing said:
Just to add some context an article from last year suggests ev's have more problems than ice cars, again ST make of it what you will.

www.carscoops.com

ICE Cars More Reliable Than Electric Cars, Study Shows | Carscoops

Despite the simplicity of the powertrain, electric car owners report more problems within the first few years of ownership
www.carscoops.com www.carscoops.com
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EVs being less reliable than ICE isn't a conclusion you can draw from the limited data provided by that article. One brand that is unreliable, like Tesla, will massively skew the data for EV because it is a big proportion of the small sample of EVs vs ICE. A better comparison would be how each manufacturer compares on their ICE vs EV reliability. It might show the same thing, it might not.
 
MolteniArcore said:
The only thing that might be a problem is battery deg but like any ICE car you do your homework and check what condition the battery is in before buying.

The first gen batteries appear not to last long but if it is a newer one the buyer might find a good un. But you wouldn't buy one with a knackered battery just like you wouldn't buy an ICE car with a clonking engine.
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You can fix a dodgy engine fairly easily if your mechanically sound.
A battery can't be fixed with parts I don't think?
 
Randy said:
You can fix a dodgy engine fairly easily if your mechanically sound.
A battery can't be fixed with parts I don't think?
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Not these days you can't. Also what are you FIXING in a battery?

I must admit, I can give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, most of your comments seem to stem from ignorance of what an EV actually is
 
Nano said:
EVs being less reliable than ICE isn't a conclusion you can draw from the limited data provided by that article. One brand that is unreliable, like Tesla, will massively skew the data for EV because it is a big proportion of the small sample of EVs vs ICE. A better comparison would be how each manufacturer compares on their ICE vs EV reliability. It might show the same thing, it might not.
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It is limited data you are right, but it is data. I am sure there are other surveys that have been done that someone could lookup.

I am simply adding some context to the argument around reliability.

So far we have had none other than opinion.
 
Laughing said:
It is limited data you are right, but it is data. I am sure there are other surveys that have been done that someone could lookup.

I am simply adding some context to the argument around reliability.

So far we have had none other than opinion.
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I've seen surveys which says Tesla are th most reliable car and this one which says the are the least. I believe this one more, but it does show that a survey from a small sample set doesn't give you much
 
SmallTown said:
Not these days you can't. Also what are you FIXING in a battery?

I must admit, I can give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, most of your comments seem to stem from ignorance of what an EV actually is
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Are you sure about that?

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Randy said:
Most of the time yes unless it was fixer upper
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I think those days are behind us. EV are just too simple. Unless you're talking about repairing interiors and steering/suspension

You still haven't answered what your "sure about that" comment was
 
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