Alzi
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Yes you're right, not just Wilder who can take the credit for it. It worked for quite a while, then second season in the PL teams had clearly sussed it. The cycle with us was maybe that on fast forward.
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Yes you're right, not just Wilder who can take the credit for it. It worked for quite a while, then second season in the PL teams had clearly sussed it. The cycle with us was maybe that on fast forward.
viv_andersons_nana
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People are so precious, looking for every possible grain of something to use against someone. Wasn’t wearing Boro tops any more. Jesus wept.
wilkos_perm
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agree, it made me laugh that one. There seems to be a lot of bitterness on here, and fascination with dramatising stuff from behind the scenes, which i can't be bothered with, a bit like when Karanka left.
Nosmo-King
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It appeared Wilder grew disillusioned fairly quickly. Maybe because he didn’t get the backing/ expected signings? Anyway, he went downhill in applying his managerial skills with strange team selections and tactics.
It has to be asked - was he looking to get sacked? Ended up very unprofessional, and, frankly, did himself undoubted harm.
Arrogance blinded him
It has to be asked - was he looking to get sacked? Ended up very unprofessional, and, frankly, did himself undoubted harm.
Arrogance blinded him
BoroMart
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Wilders game needed a high press out of possession, and for whatever failure he had in possession, you can't fault his work out of possession, forcing errors and turnover in play. I know it's difficult for some to offer any shard of light in a player that ultimately failed here, but it was noticable this season and when he was dropped at the end of last season how little high pressing we were able to do.He’s definitely not a bad manager and the football was better than under Warnock
I also agree about Connolly who I just didn’t get one bit
TheWolfman
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He seemed to come across as quite arrogant. I think he believed his own hype a little too much. Usually a trait for younger players, someone of his experience should have dealt with a lot of things differently. The constant calling out of players for me is when you can see things coming to an end... same happened with Warnock.
Be interesting to see where he ends up and what tactics he deploys. I think being so reliant on 'what worked at sheffield u' leaves him in a tough position. football evolves quickly and what worked one season doesnt necessarily work another.
I feel he had a bit of luck with that bunch of sheffield players, it all just seemed to fit.
Be interesting to see where he ends up and what tactics he deploys. I think being so reliant on 'what worked at sheffield u' leaves him in a tough position. football evolves quickly and what worked one season doesnt necessarily work another.
I feel he had a bit of luck with that bunch of sheffield players, it all just seemed to fit.
Mayor Goldie Wilson
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I’ve thought long and hard about this since Carrick’s first press conference. Clearly Scott was determined to get it into the public domain at the earliest opportunity that no player is signed without the agreement of everybody. Now I’m not saying whether I agree with this or not or how true it is, but maybe the reality was that Wilder refused multiple targets that the recruitment had identified? With everything we know about Wilder and how stubborn and fixed on his own ideas he can be, is it really such a massive stretch to believe that could have happened to some extent?
Jedi boro
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His complete obsession on a left footed central defender was just odd to the point that almost everything else was on hold.
atypical_boro
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Football in general is heavily dramatised tho, we wouldn't watch it otherwise. TBF it sounds like the big falling out before Charlton was actually very dramatic.
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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One thing that iss overlooked is he was able to develop these tactics and mould the players into playing this way in a much less competitive environment, in league one. With hindsight, trying to do it mid season, with square pegs in round holes was never going to work.
I really rated Wilder and was excited when he came to us.
He said that his next role after Sheff Utd was pivotal, given his age, experience, project etc.
Terrific and memorable first few months then April/Burnley and we fell off a cliff. The relationship was fundamentally gone and we should have parted ways at the end of last season.
I would like to think that CW will look back on the Burnley 'event' and wish he'd handled it very differently but he carries a distinct air of arrogance, so doubtful.
He said that his next role after Sheff Utd was pivotal, given his age, experience, project etc.
Terrific and memorable first few months then April/Burnley and we fell off a cliff. The relationship was fundamentally gone and we should have parted ways at the end of last season.
I would like to think that CW will look back on the Burnley 'event' and wish he'd handled it very differently but he carries a distinct air of arrogance, so doubtful.
atypical_boro
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Fully agree with this.
Its easy to forget that Phil Brown was once seen as a 'good manager', but you can very quickly become perceived very differently unless you reach the heights of Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti etc.
HolgateCorner
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Made me smile this post, remember when Phil Brown did a karaoke with the Hull crowd after getting promoted? He was terrible!
atypical_boro
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Ha yes. I think even by that point people had started to realise he wasn't going to be at Hull too much longer.
And when he did the half-time team talk in the center circle.
wilkos_perm
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I like the on pitch dramas, and transfer deadline days etc but i have no interest in who may have fallen out with whoever. Maybe it's just me
Seeing the contrast between how Wilder and Carrick have went about there first few games makes me think that the causes of his demise might be more subtle than simply giving Burnely the come and get me eyes.
When Wilder came in he instantly started banging on about getting to the window and making changes. There was an obvious upturn in form as the players intially wanted to prove their worth but it was short lived and ended pretty much as soon as we reached the window. A lot of players may have realised that they werent wanted. Wilders continued disparaging remarks about players coupled with poor recruitment (of which Wilder was a big part) left us on a downward trajectory form wise. Sure the cup run was a distraction but ultimately our league form was patchy at best after Jan. Then at the end of the season he was all about big changes needed. By contrast Carrick has come in and barely mentioned transfer window. He has been all about coaching the players, developing youngsters and raising moral. Not to say there won't be planning going on in the background but he hasn't come in and immediately started using it as a stick to beat the players with. Very different approaches to man managment. Perhaps Wilder could see himself that it wasn't working after Jan and began looking for a way out.
When Wilder came in he instantly started banging on about getting to the window and making changes. There was an obvious upturn in form as the players intially wanted to prove their worth but it was short lived and ended pretty much as soon as we reached the window. A lot of players may have realised that they werent wanted. Wilders continued disparaging remarks about players coupled with poor recruitment (of which Wilder was a big part) left us on a downward trajectory form wise. Sure the cup run was a distraction but ultimately our league form was patchy at best after Jan. Then at the end of the season he was all about big changes needed. By contrast Carrick has come in and barely mentioned transfer window. He has been all about coaching the players, developing youngsters and raising moral. Not to say there won't be planning going on in the background but he hasn't come in and immediately started using it as a stick to beat the players with. Very different approaches to man managment. Perhaps Wilder could see himself that it wasn't working after Jan and began looking for a way out.
Anybody4aBeer
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Something needed to happen. I don't know any inside information, but my guess would be he was promised a saying in who we signed and who he wanted, and we just went out and did what we've done for a while and signed players the club wanted.
In turn he went off looking for greener grass, and the club found out so didn't trust him, and backed him even less. Think tensions went past breaking point, but Gibson was holding off hoping for compensation money if he left. All in all, i think both parties need to look at themselves in how the situation was handled.
We've had a long line of managers now, who have said after a transfer deadline, we looked at x and y, but we couldnt get the deals done.
In turn he went off looking for greener grass, and the club found out so didn't trust him, and backed him even less. Think tensions went past breaking point, but Gibson was holding off hoping for compensation money if he left. All in all, i think both parties need to look at themselves in how the situation was handled.
We've had a long line of managers now, who have said after a transfer deadline, we looked at x and y, but we couldnt get the deals done.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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The persistence with Aaron Connolly was enough to question his abiliteh.