Wilder...with hindsight

Paintolerance

Paintolerance

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What we can assume were his 2 choice of strike reinforcements have not improved us 1 jot, possibly weakened us?

His decision to not replace Lumley (seems a good bloke, bang average champo keeper) has undoubtedly cost us points.

Not bringing Spence back, even under duress, could be consider an error. Should he have trusted his man management skills more?

3 big decisions. All have cost us.

Yes, we play better than under Warnock. But, that isn't hard. Massively reliant on a young wizard on the wing, no plan B, powder puff attack of his choosing.

He has got quite a lot wrong.
 
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Exactly. If he fooks off to Burnley so be it. He would have had a lot to do next season anyway, signing a decent striker for the first time being one of them.
 
Paintolerance said:
What we can assume were his 2 choice of strike reinforcements have not improved us 1 jot, possibly weakened us?

His decision to not replace Lumley (seems a good bloke, bang average champo keeper) has undoubtedly cost us points.

Not bringing Spence back, even under duress, could be consider an error. Should he have trusted his man management skills more?

3 big decisions. All have cost us.

Yes, we play better than under Warnock. But, that isn't hard. Massively reliant on a young wizard on the wing, no plan B, powder puff attack of his choosing.

He has got quite a lot wrong.
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Probably one of the worst takes I’ve seen on this board
 
Colin Warnek said:
Exactly. If he fooks off to Burnley so be it. He would have had a lot to do next season anyway, signing a decent striker for the first time being one of them.
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That Weghorst would score for fun in line the Championship. Sure I read some free that Only Lewandowski has scored more than him in the Bundesliga over the past 5 seasons.
 
Can't see how bringing Spence back would have helped. He's clearly wanting to leave so surely you want him where he can put in the best displays so you can get the most money for him? You also don't want someone in the dressing room destroying any team spirit if he's unhappy here.
 
Spence coming back would have been equivalent to hanging on to Ramirez. Spence has found his feet at Forest, he would have come back under s dark cloud. We wouldn't have got the same performances, we wouldn't have had the FA cup run, we wouldn't be getting 10 mill + for him, if he doesn't want to play for us he won't, and that might mean him putting the shirt on and going on the pitch but he would not put any effort into it.
 
Yeah, to be fair, you didn't hear many people clamouring for Spence's return in January. The rest can't argue with. Although does Lumley deserve to be called "bang-average"? 'Sub-bang average' maybe...
 
exeterboro said:
Spence coming back would have been equivalent to hanging on to Ramirez. Spence has found his feet at Forest, he would have come back under s dark cloud. We wouldn't have got the same performances, we wouldn't have had the FA cup run, we wouldn't be getting 10 mill + for him, if he doesn't want to play for us he won't, and that might mean him putting the shirt on and going on the pitch but he would not put any effort into it.
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That is the one I question...and query trusting man management skills. Maybe it was made clear by Spence he was not for turning at all.

On the other points I made, I do think it's pretty clear cut
 
The goalkeeper issue is all I can agree with…

Spence, give over, doesn’t want to be here, wouldn’t get in ahead of Jones anyway.

The strikers we have are more than capable of scoring goals, too many loanees that aren’t fully committed though.. on my opinion.

Give Wilder a couple of windows and we’ll be well away
 
Agree re Goalkeeper.

Disagree re Spence.

Strikers - Balogun is a tidy player, and is worth a place in our matchday squad. Not a fan of Connolly, who had brought nothing to the team. But you don't know until you try. No manager in the world is always perfect with his signings.
 
really harsh OP.

Spence would have played maybe a small handful of games, and it usually takes a few games for player to get back in their stride. Completely the right decision for him to stay were he is happy.

The strikers we bought in, on paper, should have strengthened us significantly. Although I think Uche would have given us a different option, he clearly doesn’t fit a wilder system. We took a gamble spending so much on Balogun, which hasn’t really paid off, but it was worth a shot.

In terms of keepers, I imagine there wasn’t any flexibility to have more wages on the books, plus I’m sure wilder would have hoped one of them would have proven themselves. I also think he would have wanted to give them a fair chance ahead of the summer.

Success doesn’t come overnight.
 
Steer said:
Agree re Goalkeeper.

Disagree re Spence.

Strikers - Balogun is a tidy player, and is worth a place in our matchday squad. Not a fan of Connolly, who had brought nothing to the team. But you don't know until you try. No manager in the world is always perfect with his signings.
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I don't dislike Wilder. As I say, we have undoubtedly improved. I just don't get the weeping and wailing if he jumped ship.

His one window...he felt strike options were what needed improving. So, he did that and, in my opinion, got it badly, badly wrong.

Sporar, watmore, Coburn, Uche. If we had improved the service that 4 is by no means perfect, but should be enough in this league.

If people talk about a fire sale, big numbers are talked about...Spence (yes, I get everyone's point about not dragging him back), Tav, Fry, Jones and to a lesser extent McNair. That's half a team worth how many million?

A good manager (and I believe Wilder is good, but just that) should be doing good things. I simply don't think he is as irreplaceable as some believe
 
Wilder is a good manager, of course he is replaceable, we all are. The main concern is getting the right man in, our ability to do so has been pretty poor over the years. Wilder is a good fit, but I am now concerned we are a short term convenient stepping stone for the individual rather than the medium to long term plan he sold us.

The achilles heel has always been recruitment though. Putting the jigsaw together is never easy, but neither is it rocket science. Time will tell if the current set up will improve us under Scott. We don’t have the money to throw at the best anymore, fingers crossed a few windows with Scott and we will see a difference in time. We have some good players but not enough quality across the board as yet.
 
Mr Sheppey said:
Is this the same Chris Wilder who was Superman a couple of weeks ago ? Shows how fickle football fans are.
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Yeah, a lot of these threads seem to be re-writing history because they are worried he's leaving. Most of these issues were there a few weeks ago and people were ok on the whole with the decisions he had made. He has made mistakes but managers don't get everything right.
 
Paintolerance said:
What we can assume were his 2 choice of strike reinforcements have not improved us 1 jot, possibly weakened us?

His decision to not replace Lumley (seems a good bloke, bang average champo keeper) has undoubtedly cost us points.

Not bringing Spence back, even under duress, could be consider an error. Should he have trusted his man management skills more?

3 big decisions. All have cost us.

Yes, we play better than under Warnock. But, that isn't hard. Massively reliant on a young wizard on the wing, no plan B, powder puff attack of his choosing.

He has got quite a lot wrong.
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You should have applied for the managers job.
 
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