Wilder : The best manager ........

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Midnight to Six Man

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"Outside the prem " , according to lots on here , we'll i think his reputation will have dropped a peg or two after what's happened since he left.
The striker he wanted to bin is on fire , 2nd top scorer in the league .
Forss never got a look in , now looking like the striker we hoped he'd be .
Riley Mcgree starting to look like a proper player.
Let's hope Carrick doesn't dismiss Payero without taking a proper look at him .
If Hoppe gets a chance and isn't as bad as Wilder thought he was , then you'd have to question his judgement.
Threw his toys further out the pram than Karanka
 
Midnight to Six Man said:
"Outside the prem " , according to lots on here , we'll i think his reputation will have dropped a peg or two after what's happened since he left.
The striker he wanted to bin is on fire , 2nd top scorer in the league .
Forss never got a look in , now looking like the striker we hoped he'd be .
Riley Mcgree starting to look like a proper player.
Let's hope Carrick doesn't dismiss Payero without taking a proper look at him .
If Hoppe gets a chance and isn't as bad as Wilder thought he was , then you'd have to question his judgement.
Threw his toys further out the pram than Karanka
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The bloke on the Not The Top 20 podcast reckoned he was the best *in the world*.

I actually think he’s probably a good manager but it wasn’t working here and we aren’t missing him by any means. If he IS as good as is often made out I expect him to take the reigns somewhere shortly and improve them fairly quickly, if not, his stock will fall pretty sharply.

I always like to remind people that Phil Brown and Ian Holloway were once seen as respected managers who’d “done wonders” when they first arrived in the PL. You can very quickly become a comedy figure of fun if you’re not careful in this game.
 
Zoophonic said:
Phil Brown, Ian Holloway, Nigel Pearson , Tony Mowbray, Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis, Alan Pardew all won promotion from the Championship. Not one of us would want them here now.
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I'd have Mogga back in a heartbeat. You could see what he was trying to do with the limited funds at his disposal.

I'd also have gone for Nigel Pearson over both Pulis and Warnock and wouldn't have been overly upset had he ended up here at some point after leaving Lester.
 
I was on board when he first joined and then the run we went on, including the cups, pushed me towards thinking he was an excellent manager. In time I noticed certain flaws and when there was no attempt to correct them I realised the error of my ways. He had a system, which can work, but he had no ability to recognise when it wasn't working or what to do if he did recognise it.

I strongly believe that because the system is fairly unique teams just weren't used to playing against it and any research by opposition teams could only really be done after we'd played enough games. Once we had and there was plenty of film to analyse we really struggled. Teams worked us out but Wilder continued thinking he had some golden formula that would come good again.

Then there were other things which I put down to "kick up the backside" management which can work in the short term but you can't come out slagging your players off every week and then spending the whole transfer window saying how rubbish your players are and then being stuck with them. The refusal to play youth or foreigners was always one I wasn't on board with. A friend's son played for Wilder at Sheff Utd sand he said we won't see any youth players and Payero will never get a chance. The Burnley saga made it look like he was willing to jump at the first opportunity. The point of a stepping stone is to take significant steps so it didn't make sense to be leaving at that point to a relegation certainty.

In hindsight it was obvious he was doomed but it was easy to get on the bandwagon with the good early results. I think he'll be a decent manager long term, but not a great one and I'd be surprised if he ever establishes himself as a premier league manager.
 
Scrote said:
I'd have Mogga back in a heartbeat. You could see what he was trying to do with the limited funds at his disposal.

I'd also have gone for Nigel Pearson over both Pulis and Warnock and wouldn't have been overly upset had he ended up here at some point after leaving Lester.
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Haha i knew it wouldnt take long before someone said they would have Mogga back. Sunderland are now below us in the table.
 
Midnight to Six Man said:
"Outside the prem " , according to lots on here , we'll i think his reputation will have dropped a peg or two after what's happened since he left.
The striker he wanted to bin is on fire , 2nd top scorer in the league .
Forss never got a look in , now looking like the striker we hoped he'd be .
Riley Mcgree starting to look like a proper player.
Let's hope Carrick doesn't dismiss Payero without taking a proper look at him .
If Hoppe gets a chance and isn't as bad as Wilder thought he was , then you'd have to question his judgement.
Threw his toys further out the pram than Karanka
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I don’t think anyone would have disagreed with that sentiment after the start he had with averaging 2pts a game and the fact he’d been successful everywhere he had been

It didn’t work out in the end, but I think it was a big coup when we got Wilder
 
Zoophonic said:
Phil Brown, Ian Holloway, Nigel Pearson , Tony Mowbray, Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis, Alan Pardew all won promotion from the Championship. Not one of us would want them here now.
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The new Malky Mackay perhaps?

Pardew, Brown & Pulis are on the same level
Mowbray, Pearson & Allardyce are good managers.. wouldn’t swap none of them for Carrick.

Exciting times!
 
Nano said:
I was on board when he first joined and then the run we went on, including the cups, pushed me towards thinking he was an excellent manager. In time I noticed certain flaws and when there was no attempt to correct them I realised the error of my ways. He had a system, which can work, but he had no ability to recognise when it wasn't working or what to do if he did recognise it.

I strongly believe that because the system is fairly unique teams just weren't used to playing against it and any research by opposition teams could only really be done after we'd played enough games. Once we had and there was plenty of film to analyse we really struggled. Teams worked us out but Wilder continued thinking he had some golden formula that would come good again.

Then there were other things which I put down to "kick up the backside" management which can work in the short term but you can't come out slagging your players off every week and then spending the whole transfer window saying how rubbish your players are and then being stuck with them. The refusal to play youth or foreigners was always one I wasn't on board with. A friend's son played for Wilder at Sheff Utd sand he said we won't see any youth players and Payero will never get a chance. The Burnley saga made it look like he was willing to jump at the first opportunity. The point of a stepping stone is to take significant steps so it didn't make sense to be leaving at that point to a relegation certainty.

In hindsight it was obvious he was doomed but it was easy to get on the bandwagon with the good early results. I think he'll be a decent manager long term, but not a great one and I'd be surprised if he ever establishes himself as a premier league manager.
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Great post. I totally agree... He adapted his old Sheffield system to work for us and it worked really well at first because teams didn't really know how to play against it effectively.

However, the game is full of tacticians who probably get paid a lot of money to figure out how to play against other systems... and as soon as we got found out he wasn't willing to change.

I think the same happens with a lot of managers though, including Mowbray - eventually you just run out of new ideas.
 
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