Wilder sacked

Andy_W said:
I don't think it was him telling them to do that, it was them just doing that, I think it was the players. We weren't doing it so much with Lenihan and Steffen playing.
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Nah I don't buy that. It's been a consistent thing for 4 or 5 games now. Must have been instruction.
 
SuperStu said:
Nah I don't buy that. It's been a consistent thing for 4 or 5 games now. Must have been instruction.
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I doubt it, Wilders not daft enough to tell the defenders to lump it up to a single striker who's not exactly designed for that. It completely goes against the strengths of our team (wingers/ crosses, after we've had time to get men in the box).

He might have said "if you have to, then do it", as in when under pressure, but the vast majority of the time players were thinking they could take it as an easy way out, rather than "risk" playing it to feet. It's not an easy way out though, as you're just giving the ball away, and reliant on a poor midfield to win it back. It's just asking for trouble.

The midfield hasn't helped this mind, but the other defenders and keeper should be open most of the time, and you just move it around until a gap does come up.

It's basic decision making and understanding, but if the players don't give a toss, or are too thick to see the bigger picture then you're in bother to start with.
 
Has anyone seen any reaction online from the Boro players? Usually when a manager leaves, whether by choice or sacked, you sometimes get a couple of players wishing them well or thanking them for the opportunities on twitter, instagram etc.

I’ve not seen one. Granted he wasn’t here long that but thought we might have seen something.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Has anyone seen any reaction online from the Boro players? Usually when a manager leaves, whether by choice or sacked, you sometimes get a couple of players wishing them well or thanking them for the opportunities on twitter, instagram etc.

I’ve not seen one. Granted he wasn’t here long that but thought we might have seen something.
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Probably warned against it.
 
I keep reading "Edwards has worked with Scott" so it all makes logical sense.
Blimey, what has Scott achieved thus far in his career, never mind Edwards?
Just for once, I would like the powers that be at MFC to implement a coherent, strategic, achievable plan. Then 'sell' it to the fans.
Perhaps telling us out targets might take time to come to fruition etc.
I've never demanded that Gibbo et al speak to us but at present, I think it important that some communication is forthcoming.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Has anyone seen any reaction online from the Boro players? Usually when a manager leaves, whether by choice or sacked, you sometimes get a couple of players wishing them well or thanking them for the opportunities on twitter, instagram etc.

I’ve not seen one. Granted he wasn’t here long that but thought we might have seen something.
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Ikpeazu liked Boro's statement on twitter yesterday, that's it. Tbf our current players have probably been told to just stay off it for now.
 
morrissey said:
I keep reading "Edwards has worked with Scott" so it all makes logical sense.
Blimey, what has Scott achieved thus far in his career, never mind Edwards?
Just for once, I would like the powers that be at MFC to implement a coherent, strategic, achievable plan. Then 'sell' it to the fans.
Perhaps telling us out targets might take time to come to fruition etc.
I've never demanded that Gibbo et al speak to us but at present, I think it important that some communication is forthcoming.
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But Scott is central to that plan. He will be the one suggesting managers and players to fit the style of play we want to adopt going forward.

I agree however that the objectives haven't been shared at any point past or present but would be very surprised if Gibson didn't task Scott with "EPL in xx years, your budget is xx" when we was appointed.
 
I've noticed that Rob hasn't commented at all on Wilders departure.

Considering he goes to every game, has access to the club that that most of us don't, just wondering what his thoughts were.

Don't expect him to upset the apple cart, but as a fan, maybe he could give us his thoughts.
 
The_Tiler said:
I've noticed that Rob hasn't commented at all on Wilders departure.

Considering he goes to every game, has access to the club that that most of us don't, just wondering what his thoughts were.

Don't expect him to upset the apple cart, but as a fan, maybe he could give us his thoughts.
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Don't throw him under a bus, maybe he knows more than us and more than he should and is being suitably quiet.

As fans, we don't get to know all the details, and probably shouldn't. As one door shuts, another opens, another era, lets hope for more longevity, more harmony and better results
 
Glover_elbow said:
Man-management wise Warnock was streets ahead
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Warnock fell out with, bombed out on loan, and still has digs at an academy player who was one of the main reasons his new team got promoted, made the Championship team of the season, and was bought by Spurs (who are in the Champions League) for 12-20 million.

Is that good man management? I reckon Forest fans would be very grateful for Warnock’s genius there.
 
changingman said:
The goal on Saturday was laughable. Drag Clarke up the pitch, ping it in the space behind him and score.

Re: the defensive line, I think this probably was Fry playing to instruction. Wilder has always favoured this approach although admittedly players should have the intelligence to react to on-pitch situations.

The big issue for me in playing a high line with this squad is that we haven't got the legs in midfield and defence to win the ball back quickly, putting the deepest defenders under immense pressure.

Time and time again this season we've been caught up by opposition turning over the ball a long way from our goal and within a couple of passes they're clean through. Our pressing has a lot to answer for.

It's one of the reasons I'm cooling on Corberan - he played an even riskier press at Huddersfield (albeit with a young squad full of pace and energy) - if we tried that we'd get battered every week.
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Yes, don't get me wrong, the tactic is to press play up the pitch with a high line when we have the ball, but when we lose it we can't be stood on the half way line, it's basic common sense.

Their lad had a long time on the ball before anyone reacted, even look at the highlights, the string for that highlight shows them in possession the entire time, it doesn't show us losing the ball which gives a good example of how long it took us to react.

Fry only made it back between half way and our goal in the entire time it took them to win the ball, run with it, play the pass and for Gyokeres to run through and score. There was enough time there to block that route off or stop the ball going through if we hadn't been asleep as a back line, and that's the defender's job to react. Wilder wasn't telling them to hold the line at halfway, if we had lost the ball and they were in possession.

Whoever was organising the defence (Fry?) dropped Dijk in it, by basically saying we're holding this line, you get over from RCB to cover LCB, and if they play a ball over the top it's your problem. It's poor, we shouldn't have had a line at halfway with one LCB up the pitch and Gyokeres operating on the LCB's side.

Agree on the lack of legs in midfield, this is where Tav used to bail us out box to box, and also pressing like mad.

High pressing works great, but the defenders need to be clever and switched on, and if they're not quick they need to step off 5-10 yards to narrow the gap between defensive line and where the keeper can realistically sweep out to.
 
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