Wilder post match

[HolgateCorner]

The question was about the nature of Scotts appointment by Bausor and Gibson: was his appointment a financial one (?). ie. to reduce costs , or one to oversee the acquisition of talent and stock for the now and tomorrow?
Looking at the results pre-Wilder, I cant see any progress or evidence that he was overseeing quality incomings.

Yes, understand, maybe more an appointment to make sure the club was paying the market rate for player transfer fees and wage? As you say above some of Warnock (and previous) signings looked to be poor value for money.

 

[Drobbo1980]

I can see the atmosphere turning toxic if we don't start Wednesday match well.

 

[newyddion]

We have more "wriggle room" on the financial front.
Warnock saw the end of expensive players like Friend and Ayala.
He also brought in players on short term contracts.

Like Tommy Smith? Massimo Luongo? Alex Mowett?

Lets not forget Bolasie and Neeskins - both expensive players in terms of wages.

Steffen and Muniz will be on a decent wedge. Forss came in from the premier league too..

Warnock left little for the future.
He was just a fire-fighter.

He brought on academy lads pretty well.

we have better players and something in the tank for the future.

what’s in the tank?

The elephant is still in the room.
Until that issue is resolved - nothing will change.

Chris Wilder’s 5-3-2?

Its worth considering whether Scott`s appointment was a financial one or a genuine football one - eyeing talent and building stock for the now and the future.

We need to be right financially before anything else.. not much talent spotting been going on.

My thoughts are that it was a financial decision - from the same people who sanctioned expensive average player incomings.

Makes sense

Wilder is between a rock and a hard place.

Wilder is stuck in 5-3-2 mode without the players to make it kick.

I believe he has integrity and honesty and will only go if he`s told to.

He won’t go for free..

 

[Otto42]

Totally disagree we created nothing...!

Muniz half chance he made
Muniz volley should of scored
Fry header should of scored
Giles ball across face of goal, crroks should of scored to late to react.
Giles should of buried his chance instead of squaring behind Akpom, he was running onto it.
Akpom chance
Crooks should of one better and squared the ball with last attack of the game virtually.

Where as coventry chances

Palmer 3 minutes in should of scored.
Dijksteel tries to play offside on the half way line got in wrong Gyokeres scores, 2 chances ...?

All half chances, we barely tested the keeper. They had at least two chances better than ours plus the goal and btw that’s their first win of the season and we hardly threw the kitchen sink at them. If you think we deserved anything out of that then fair enough that’s your opinion. To me it was similar to Reading, poor side scored against us and then we failed to do much after they let us have the ball.

 

[jonny_greenings_sock]

That was a really poor performance and stunk of demotivated players with not much idea of what they’re trying to do. And having no confidence when they do get on the ball so make stupid mistakes or treat the ball like a hot potato.

The midfield is a shambles. Totally overrun, leaves the defence isolated all the time. Clarke was trying to compensate by wandering out of position all the time, Gyokeres embarrassed Fry.

Thing is, I’m not sure what any new manager or new system could do with that midfield. It’s not like we can play more of them, we’re already playing them all. Wilder sort of tried to shore it up first half by dropping the wing backs (which was insane), but Bola and Smith were league one quality.

To be fair to him Crooks didn’t hide and Howson is a good footballer who has no dynamism and is less and less mobile with each game, and he wasn’t exactly Vieira to start with. Mowatt is a black hole, a defensive midfielder who doesn’t really defend, a proper waste of space. McGree has technical quality and plays with his head up but I don’t really rate him, bit tippy tappy and leaves us even more exposed. Luongo hasn’t played for months and was out of contract in league one.

That’s it, that’s all our options. I can’t see any manager in world football being able to fix that.

Wilder is doing a rank job at the minute, we look a million miles away from how dynamic and organised we were last January. But there’s no combination of those players that’s going to get us purring, recruitment have seriously dropped the ball there.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

That was a really poor performance and stunk of demotivated players with not much idea of what they’re trying to do. And having no confidence when they do get on the ball so make stupid mistakes or treat the ball like a hot potato.

The midfield is a shambles. Totally overrun, leaves the defence isolated all the time. Clarke was trying to compensate by wandering out of position all the time, Gyokeres embarrassed Fry.

Thing is, I’m not sure what any new manager or new system could do with that midfield. It’s not like we can play more of them, we’re already playing them all. Wilder sort of tried to shore it up first half by dropping the wing backs (which was insane), but Bola and Smith were league one quality.

To be fair to him Crooks didn’t hide and Howson is a good footballer who has no dynamism and is less and less mobile with each game, and he wasn’t exactly Vieira to start with. Mowatt is a black hole, a defensive midfielder who doesn’t really defend, a proper waste of space. McGree has technical quality and plays with his head up but I don’t really rate him, bit tippy tappy and leaves us even more exposed. Luongo hasn’t played for months and was out of contract in league one.

That’s it, that’s all our options. I can’t see any manager in world football being able to fix that.

Wilder is doing a rank job at the minute, we look a million miles away from how dynamic we were last January. But there’s no combination of those players that’s going to get us purring, recruitment have seriously dropped the ball there.

TBF we we’re having the exact same conversations and threads about Warnock’s Boro this time last year. And then Wilder came in and organised them. Christ knows what’s gone on since then, but whatever it was it’s worth a pop in terms if that bounce we had. At the moment it looks broken.

 

[r00fie1]

Like Tommy Smith? Massimo Luongo? Alex Mowett?

Steffen and Muniz will be on a decent wedge. Forss came in from the premier league too..

He brought on academy lads pretty well.

what’s in the tank?

Chris Wilder’s 5-3-2?

We need to be right financially before anything else.. not much talent spotting been going on.

Makes sense

Wilder is stuck in 5-3-2 mode without the players to make it kick.

He won’t go for free..

I stick by what I`ve said.
Constructive criticism and debate is always welcome.
Continuous hire & fire [8 Managers and Caretakers - including Karanka - in 5 years]
Can anyone else see a common denominator here?
The elephant will still be in the room if Christopher Wilder is given his P45.
Who is going to be the next "messiah"?
Ian Holloway?

 

[Ted_Bundy]

Was gyokeres going to come in and train Jones on how to cross a ball and decision making in the final third?

 

[BiggEggo]

He's going to stick with the back 3 right to the end, which might be very soon.
That is behaviour on the Pulis scale. When something isn't working- keep on doing it.
Dyche incoming - to sort out the mess.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Quite clear that he wanted Gyokeres, spoke very highly of him.

Said it’s the best player in the championship.
He might be the best forward but the best player is berge at sheff utd.
More nonsense from wilder.
Everyone says how honest he is and all I hear is lots of words(noise) but no real responses.
He talks a lot and fills the air space but says very little in terms of substance.
Listen to him….he never talks about the ‘team’ and we are a team all together in this…
Like someone such as the Celtic manager: always talking about the collective team and the boys, my boys, the team etc etc…creating a team spirit of being all in it together
He’s basically a man full of b/s is wilder

I see right through him

 

[afcb_acklam]

he can certainly talk....

 

[newyddion]

I stick by what I`ve said.
Constructive criticism and debate is always welcome.
Continuous hire & fire [8 Managers and Caretakers - including Karanka - in 5 years]
Can anyone else see a common denominator here?
The elephant will still be in the room if Christopher Wilder is given his P45.
Who is going to be the next "messiah"?
Ian Holloway?

We can’t stick with a manager not coming up with the goods, we are at a certain financial level and we overachieve because of our common denominator.

I thought we had done away with throwing money away tbh, I thought this new model was going to make us ship shape. Budget buys to fit the team’s system, shape etc.

Clarke for £2.5m is Flint for £7m
Hoppe for £3m is Gestede for £6m
Forse For £3m is Fletcher for £7m

Talk of Henry, Larsen Strand and Elis for £10m when we were talking about scouting for gems.. Gykores & Riis for £1m

We need the Friend’s, the Leadbitter’s and Adomah’s and push the boat out for a Stuani.

Ian Holloway? It will be who ever can fix this and keep us in the championship. Bottom of the championship isn’t a project or something a young inexperienced coach would be tasked with.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

I said on another thread (Wilder Rumour) early last week that I would give him a month.

I'm not usually for firing managers willy nilly and usually not so early in the season - BUT - when is the right time to cut your losses? Can the season be saved - with or without CW, or will we just eventually give up on this season and focus on safety? If so, we look forward to next season - will we invest again under CW or start again? Do we have a plan B in place - somebody that can inspire what we've got and bring on younger players?

I think that calling for Wilder's sacking cannot be down to just results - or we would just be Watford. It is obvious to everyone that there is something else going on here. There is an air of negativity surrounding the running of the club - maybe CW is the victim of poor recruitment - who knows but it doesn't seem like a happy camp. On the field, the players don't look happy either. Things seemed to go wrong late last season when we were on the verge of making the playoffs. Who knows if his head was turned by Burnley but our dip in form goes back to then and has carried on through the Summer and into the new season.

When I said that I would give him a month, I fully expected to come out firing on all cylinders and win the game yesterday. I can take the defeat but what was served up yesterday, I can't.

I hope that there is some internal reflection at the club and something positive happens very quickly - I'm not filled with confidence for the Brum game....not because we might get beat, because we might serve up another performance like yesterday

 

[r00fie1]

We can’t stick with a manager not coming up with the goods, we are at a certain financial level and we overachieve because of our common denominator.

I thought we had done away with throwing money away tbh, I thought this new model was going to make us ship shape. Budget buys to fit the team’s system, shape etc.

Clarke for £2.5m is Flint for £7m
Hoppe for £3m is Gestede for £6m
Forse For £3m is Fletcher for £7m

Talk of Henry, Larsen Strand and Elis for £10m when we were talking about scouting for gems.. Gykores & Riis for £1m

We need the Friend’s, the Leadbitter’s and Adomah’s and push the boat out for a Stuani.

Ian Holloway? It will be who ever can fix this and keep us in the championship. Bottom of the championship isn’t a project or something a young inexperienced coach would be tasked with.

Just throwing it out there Newy.
Perhaps we need Mogga to sneak us any Leadbitters, Ayalas and Friends he might have at Blunderland?
Somebody take him for Sunday dinner at the Park Hotel in Redcar and find out who he knows lyke.

 

[Druss_The_Legend]

Just throwing it out there Newy.
Perhaps we need Mogga to sneak us any Leadbitters, Ayalas and Friends he might have at Blunderland?
Somebody take him for Sunday dinner at the Park Hotel in Redcar and find out who he knows lyke.

Thats simply not going to happen, Mogga is too busy at weddings starting rumours about Wilder for that to ever happen

 

[BOBEND]

I’m sick and tired of hearing CW talk about players we might have got or mistakes were made in the window. The window has gone, we didn’t get all the players you wanted, tough, get over it and get on with your job of managing what you have and getting the best out of them.
I may well be wide of the mark but I get the feeling things aren’t too good behind the scenes, when he mentioned “I’ve got 18 months of my contract left” in his press conference it was almost like saying I’m going nowhere and if you want me out you’ll have to pay me out.
Like I say I may be reading it totally wrong but I just don’t feel he is totally committed, he’s ***ed he didn’t get the players he wanted which has caused tension and now he’s going through the motions.
Hope I’m wrong but that’s my impression of things at the moment.

 

[r00fie1]

This is an extract from the Friday Media Conference I posted on the Match-day Thread:-

"Is [your] future away from Middlesbrough with Bournemouth"?

A resounding "NO"! was his response. He was unequivocal. No one was left with any doubt:

" 100% NOT. Its nonsense what`s happened. I dealt with that speculation a month ago and put it to bed. Its come from nowhere, where its not needed by anybody, I`ve just laughed it off really". "I think that`s what happens when teams don`t get results that maybe they expected.....its part of the industry you have to deal with". He was disparaging of journalists and others, claiming that untruths and speculation was "...disrespectful to players, the Manager and the football club". "(I)...concentrate on what (I) control". I still have the "hunger" - 100%". My drive to take MFC to the higher level (?) "Its huge". Chris Wilder says convincingly, that he loves football as an apprentice, a player, a coach and a Manager". The "fire" is still in his belly.

* The Unofficial "Official" Boro v Coventry City Match - Day Thread *

Be interesting to see what the line-up is today. I wonder if there's a couple of surprise changes? I am hoping akpom is fit and ready to go. I also hope that our fans give him and muniz some time to gel, given they haven't played together before.

fmttmboro.com

 

[Dybuk]

I can see the atmosphere turning toxic if we don't start Wednesday match well.

It already has. The players standing in front of the away end with half clapping and half booing them shows where we are. If they didn't know what was coming before they did then.

 

[indeedido]

We are running on losses so it is not as easy as saying we brought in 22m so we should spend 22m, how much did we actually get upfront, how much is in instalements?

We have financial fair play to think about we still brought in 12 players but for me didnt address the key area and that was quality, speed and ability in CM which we lack so much of and is the reason why we are losing games IMO, we never control a game every team over runs us in the middle.

For me even though he wont change formation, 352 doesnt suit us, he should go ultra defensive to stop us conceding goals by playing 451 we dont have the midfielders to play as a 2 or a 3.

The club is in a decent FFP position. That has been done to death.
You clearly don’t understand amortisation and how accounts actually work.
The wage bill has been slashed, the revenue growing, little outstanding transfer liability/ future amortisation to face and a huge transfer profit from selling two players with no book value for £22.5m.
You either want a sugar daddy owner who finds ways to finance you, or you want one who is a brilliant football operator.
We have a local bloke who once had balls but now just ballses up.
Nothing will change until Gibson cuts his losses, doesn’t just leave them on the balance sheet in the forlorn hope he might recover them.
He won’t, he doesn’t have the noise. The last 16 years shows that