Wilder not being backed is a myth.

[uncle_rico]

People keep saying he was a wilder signing or he was a gift, how do we know which was which? We either have a recruitment team or we don't surely? Balogun is confidently assigned as a club signing above yet in another thread someone has said he was a Wilder signing.

Likewise above he lost the locker room - did he? Has any player come out and said that?

I seem to remember at the time that Wilder had alluded that he wanted Balogun when he was at Sheff Utd.

I also think McGree will be more of a club signing.

Either way, we won't be signing players behind the manager's back.

 

[TeaCider]

The answer is not t slag off the players you have snd stick with a system that perhaps does not accommodate them..

"Make do with what you've got" is not an argument supporting the idea that he was properly backed in the transfer market.

 

[Redwurzel]

Lets stick to facts rather than guesses, about applying for jobs, whose makes the decisions on recruits etc.

£22.5 cash incoming from transfer fees (rising to a potential £32.5m)

£8m cash outgoing for transfer fees

£14.5m transfer fee surplus

If any poster on here was the Boro manager would you be happy with this?

Even if we include the fees paid in January £3m? - there is still a £11.5m surplus.

To me £11.5m net revenue does not = backing.

Add in players seem to be sold before most of the incomings most of which appeared after the season had started. We haven't even got a full compliment of 25 players yet.

 

[wilkos_perm]

The answer is not t slag off the players you have snd stick with a system that perhaps does not accommodate them..

that's not really the way to run a club is it? It's the fundamental probalem we've had for years. You have a plan, and a philosophy and you recruit accordingly, not pull togehther a random collection of players and try to match a system to it

 

[ForssAwakens]

that's not really the way to run a club is it? It's the fundamental probalem we've had for years. You have a plan, and a philosophy and you recruit accordingly, not pull togehther a random collection of players and try to match a system to it

Bloody pep and his system and buying players for it. Why would we try and replicate that

 

[ThatFragranceGuy]

I seem to remember at the time that Wilder had alluded that he wanted Balogun when he was at Sheff Utd.

I also think McGree will be more of a club signing.

Either way, we won't be signing players behind the manager's back.

I imagine a lot of people wanted balogun, it doesn't make it his signing. This entire post is just conjecture but getting bandied around as fact. As fans, we don't know.

We've apparently signed plenty of players behind manager's backs before from what we have seen play out,

 

[newyddion]

that's not really the way to run a club is it? It's the fundamental probalem we've had for years. You have a plan, and a philosophy and you recruit accordingly, not pull togehther a random collection of players and try to match a system to it

If the plan isn’t working.. you change it.

We’re not talking about a random collection of players here are we. The whole point of a manager is to manage! £10m players can play in any system and get you to the playoffs if not automatic promotion.

 

[Yesterdays_Jam]

I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .

You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
UTB

Agree totally

 

[h_m_boro]

So if Gibson/Bausor/Scott fell out with Wilder, could there be the possibility that the Spence/Tav money hasn't been there as they got flashbacks to Monk's tenure why we spaff £20m+ on shyte and we are stuck with them for 4 years.

Could there have been a falling out behind the scenes after Burnley, club have put on a face but really if Wilder did not have a very good start to the season he was a dead man walking. Nobody expected it to be that bad though ........

If he was going to Scott saying he wanted this player, that player, the deal was going to cost a few million but ultimately it was deemed unsuitable to the club , would make sense Wilder getting narked and an irreparable split happened.

Results on the pitch, instead of being THE reason, became the final straw.

So .......money available in Jan for new manager, bit of a dangly carrot to tempt the right person?

 

[UgoAfro]

People keep saying he was a wilder signing or he was a gift, how do we know which was which?

Look, it's all very simple:

Players that turn out to be good = your signing.

Players that turn out to be ***** = someone else's signing.

Easy.

 

[indeedido]

What influence or performance measure can a DoF have

I'd love to see how Kieran Scott's role is measured and across timescales.

I think many clubs will be very wary over hiring him due to this.

I think many managers will be wary coming to work under Gibson given the reality rather than old perception. 6 managers in 6 years and counting.

Bloody pep and his system and buying players for it. Why would we try and replicate that

Would you really be hiring Kieran Scott to mastermind a la Pep?

 

[changingman]

I'd love to see how Kieran Scott's role is measured and across timescales.

I think many managers will be wary coming to work under Gibson given the reality rather than old perception. 6 managers in 6 years and counting.

Would you really be hiring Kieran Scott to mastermind a la Pep?

The Scott thing is interesting. It's my understanding that most DoF have pretty much free reign on footballing matters. I would expect Gibson to set the objective (EPL in xx years e.g.) and the budget but everything would be covered by the DoF (footballing style, managerial hires and fires, transfers).

Obviously you would expect some interaction between DoF and manager on transfers (I think there a few examples where a coach literally "gets what they are given") but I think any difference of opinions could ultimately boil down to who has the final say. My understanding is that this would be the DoF usually but obviously vital that this point is crystal clear to any applicants for the managers position!

 

[Paintolerance]

Irrespective of who chose which player, we should not be where we are with the players we have. Top of the league? Nope. Bottom 3, no way!

He has done a dreadful job for 6 months. That's the bottom line.

 

[Glover_elbow]

People keep saying he was a wilder signing or he was a gift, how do we know which was which? We either have a recruitment team or we don't surely? Balogun is confidently assigned as a club signing above yet in another thread someone has said he was a Wilder signing.

Likewise above he lost the locker room - did he? Has any player come out and said that?

No player has said a positive word about wilder in the last six months. It's not so much what you say as what you don't. There was clear friction with some of the senior players

 

[jonny_greenings_sock]

How many genuinely good players have we signed in the last 12 months? Not on loan.

Would any manager - let alone Chris Wilder, who’s ambitious and knows his **** - swagger up to the chairman and say, yeah I know we already need one midfielder, why not sell our only good midfielder to the Premier League with no replacement queued up? So you can find me two.

We’ve brought in a lot of players, don’t mistake that for quality. Because they’re awful. Apart from the guys that are on loan, which creates another problem in 7 months. Top work by Director of Football that.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

The bottom line is that we went into the summer window in desperate need of an orthodox central midfielder. We came out of the window in desperate need of two orthodox central midfielders.

He was backed in some ways but not in others. If the next manager is backed in January and beyond then it’s likely that Wilder had lost the trust of those above him, who then held back from spending the Tav and Spence cash. If they’re not backed, you’ll know the club are cutting costs and there’ll likely be more sales ahead.

Wilder was backed IMO but that’s only half the story. He wasn’t backed completely because there’s no way anybody who watches the Boro would think we could go through yet another summer window without addressing the midfield. It’s needed work since we came down, we still haven’t replaced Leadbitter or Clayton yet. People will laugh but it’s true.

I think Wilder wanted to keep Tav, obviously, and add a quality midfielder and a quality striker to have a real crack at it. The concerns are why that didn’t happen. Was it a breakdown in trust, was it frugality, being outbid, poor planning, time management, agents, whatever else. We’ll find out in January. If it was a breakdown in trust then Wilder should’ve been sacked in the summer. And I say that as someone who is a Wilder fan.

 

[Glover_elbow]

How many genuinely good players have we signed in the last 12 months? Not on loan.

Would any manager - let alone Chris Wilder, who’s ambitious and knows his **** - swagger up to the chairman and say, yeah I know we already need one midfielder, why not sell our only good midfielder to the Premier League with no replacement queued up? So you can find me two.

We’ve brought in a lot of players, don’t mistake that for quality. Because they’re awful. Apart from the guys that are on loan, which creates another problem in 7 months. Top work by Director of Football that.

I suppose the question is did wilder want out because the club renaged on the package or was the ambious recruitment package withdrawn because wilder was shown to be disloyal and wanting to jump at the first better opportunity. Only time will tell. Ones thing for sure he seemed particularly bitter and unhappy this season so much so it was clear he wouldn't last the season. I am hoping Gibson withdrew backing for wilder knowing he wasn't a long term option and the finances are there for the next manager.

 

[ForssAwakens]

I suppose the question is did wilder want out because the club renaged on the package or was the ambious recruitment package withdrawn because wilder was shown to be disloyal and wanting to jump at the first better opportunity. Only time will tell. Ones thing for sure he seemed particularly bitter and unhappy this season so much so it was clear he wouldn't last the season. I am hoping Gibson withdrew backing for wilder knowing he wasn't a long term option and the finances are there for the next manager.

People who say wilder wanted to jump ship are simply making things up in there head

 

[Jedi boro]

People who say wilder wanted to jump ship are simply making things up in there head

Well include the local media in that remark including mark drury…. Are they all wrong then.

If the Burnley stuff was true it was during our best spell as well.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Well include the local media in that remark including mark drury…. Are they all wrong then.

If the Burnley stuff was true it was during our best spell as well.

What was true about the Burnley stuff?

Did Burnley approach him. Zero evidence

Did wilder approach Burnley. Zero evidence

If they club had a whiff of that l, do you think he would have been here in the summer. As monk was caught courting Swansea he was sacked

By saying the board didn’t back wilder cos of Burnley incident (been said a couple times) doesn’t go hand in hand with the clubs actions.

If the board had any doubts about wilder and building a squad this summer he wouldn’t have been here, unless you are a total **** up as a club