Wilder not being backed is a myth.

Morton94

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I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .

You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
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Agree , had vibes of Monk , spend ,spend , spend , while looking at better jobs . VG at 20 million was never a option , it just fed season ticket sales ( old ploy by the club). Plus the club must be hacked off with Wilder never giving younger players a chance . He lost the locker room , hence the end !
 
People keep saying he was a wilder signing or he was a gift, how do we know which was which? We either have a recruitment team or we don't surely? Balogun is confidently assigned as a club signing above yet in another thread someone has said he was a Wilder signing.

Likewise above he lost the locker room - did he? Has any player come out and said that?
 
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I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .

You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
UTB
All guesswork that.
 
I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .

You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
UTB
Wilder was very much part of the recruitment team in the end he was after a defensive midfielder and a striker.. we got Luongo after the window and missed out on several £10m strikers. Maybe his sights were unrealistic he gambled along with the rest of them.

My biggest concern was his stance on academy players.. Joe Gibson was on the fringes last season and this season he was binned off completely! Wood.. binned off. Fry.. chucked in the bin. Coburn.. sent out on loan (he’s not playing anyone else btw)

I’d prefer to take a look at someone like Hayden Hackney over some troubled loan player in midfield.
 
Even if only some of them were his signings, we have got progressively worse and were playing better football when he first took over and the team contained precisely Zero Wilder signings.
What influence or performance measure can a DoF have if the manager is allowed to make their own signings over what you propose? Seems to fly in the Face of the entire model.
 
Balogun was a Wilder signing too.

But on that list you have 4 free agents and 6 loans, you forgot Smith too (another free agent).

Luongo and Taylor were desperation signings after the club failed to back the manager in successive summer windows.

McGree and Clarke are the only examples of the club stumping up a transfer fee for players the manager actually wants on that list.

Wilder clearly didn't want Forss or Hoppe, and he had to reintegrate Akpom, a player he'd publicly discarded, because the club failed so badly in bringing in strikers early.

Mowatt was brought in on loan to replace a player that Wilder hadn't even thought was leaving a few days before we sold him to Bournemouth.

Wilder got plenty wrong whilst here, but I think he can justifiably be frustrated with our transfers.
 
Mowatt was brought in on loan to replace a player that Wilder hadn't even thought was leaving a few days before we sold him to Bournemouth.
Why did I think he was leaving then? Based off what Warnock said with his contract extension.. we’d managed to keep him for an extra season but if we didn’t go up he’d be off.

Why was that so clear to me, reiterated again with the addition of McGree in January. Why was that so clear to me as a fan but it came completely out of the blue for Wilder?
 
Why did I think he was leaving then? Based off what Warnock said with his contract extension.. we’d managed to keep him for an extra season but if we didn’t go up he’d be off.

Why was that so clear to me, reiterated again with the addition of McGree in January. Why was that so clear to me as a fan but it came completely out of the blue for Wilder?

Presumably because Wilder was told we weren't selling him, which is why he repeatedly said he didn't expect any further first team exits and had said to a fan meeting that he wasn't expecting him to leave and he hadn't asked to only days before we sold him on the cheap.

The club then pocketed the money and brought in a replacement on loan who is nothing like Tavernier in style.

If McGree had been Tavernier's replacement, he'd have been playing ahead of Tavernier in pre-season.
Instead, we had Tav playing a starring role in our last friendly a week before the season started.
 
Presumably because Wilder was told we weren't selling him, which is why he repeatedly said he didn't expect any further first team exits and had said to a fan meeting that he wasn't expecting him to leave and he hadn't asked to only days before we sold him on the cheap.

The club then pocketed the money and brought in a replacement on loan who is nothing like Tavernier in style.

If McGree had been Tavernier's replacement, he'd have been playing ahead of Tavernier in pre-season.
Instead, we had Tav playing a starring role in our last friendly a week before the season started.
Wilder knew and he said himself that we were in danger of losing our best players. That conversation had already happened with Tavernier.
 
I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .


You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
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Come on man, you have absolutely zero idea of who wanted to sign who, who didn't want to sign who, which of those Wilder was screaming for, who the club signed without Wilder's say-so... it's all assumptions and guess work.

We've been continually told that the recruitment at the club is a combined and joint effort.. everyone involved, everyone providing input, countless conversations between everyone about players, targets.
 
Wilder knew and he said himself that we were in danger of losing our best players. That conversation had already happened with Tavernier.

Yes, during the last season, he was also talking about players like Fry at that point.

But going in to pre-season he repeatedly stated that he didn't expect him to leave, and he seemed to think that we wouldn't be losing him as late as the 25th of July.

Which to me would indicate that his understanding of how the situation was progressing differed to what the club was actually doing.
 
Wilder wasn't backed. His contract was terminated. Thats one after the other. The problem isn't the manager. The problem lies much deeper than that. Whether Wilder wouldn't or couldn't work within the club structure isn't even the point here. He should never have been employed if he wasn't prepared to work within the limitations that the club put on him.
We are, once again, on the manager merry go-round. The club is in a state and has been for quite some time.
 
I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .

You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
UTB
If Mowatt and Clarke were Wilder signings, I think they were way down the wish list. The club sold Tav also. It was clear that Tav needed replacing with quality, and it was clear we needed more strikers to improve us, yet they brought in a guy who'd had no success at Mallorca, and a striker who scored 1 in 11 on loan at Hull. I'd say only the keepers, Giles and Lenihan were players he saw as anywhere near what he was after.
 
If Mowatt and Clarke were Wilder signings, I think they were way down the wish list. The club sold Tav also. It was clear that Tav needed replacing with quality, and it was clear we needed more strikers to improve us, yet they brought in a guy who'd had no success at Mallorca, and a striker who scored 1 in 11 on loan at Hull. I'd say only the keepers, Giles and Lenihan were players he saw as anywhere near what he was after.
The answer is not t slag off the players you have snd stick with a system that perhaps does not accommodate them..
 
I've seen a lot of people saying how Wilder wasn't backed properly and if I'm honest it's absolutely ludicrous.
We signed 14 players in his tenure so let's assess shall we?

Neil Taylor - Wilders signing
Aaron Conolly - Wilders signing (Useless)
Flo Balogun - Club signing (mysteriously benched upon hitting form)
Riley Mcgree - Wilders permanent signing beating out Celtic
Zack Steffen - Wilders signing come in after being city's number 2 great pedigree- big wages
Liam Robers - Club signing - Smart Free Transfer
Ryan Giles - Club and Wilder - Provably the best left back in the championship
Darragh Leinhan - Wilder signing- Championship Rivals captain.
Matt Clarke - Wilder signing - £2.5 million
Alex Mowatt - Wilder signing
Massimo Luongo - Wilder signing
Rodrigo Muniz - Club signing
Mathew Hoppe - Club signing - Consigned to u21's
Marcus Forss - Never gets off the bench .

You cannot say he wasn't backed, rumours were circulating that Gibbo put a stop to Dwight Gayle? Can you blame him? Monster wages, over 30 and absolutely no sell on value?

When you have a DOF l, you expect you're gonna be handed players who fit where the club want to go, players who could potentially get you big sell on money. Wilder was given 9 of his own playersand in 2 windows and some exciting young players.

The trust was lost after Burnley, why would Gibbo give a man he doesn't trust a war chest? He trusted Karanka he got who he wanted. After Monk I can't blame him for this approach.

I suspect the next man in will get the war chest in January, I suspect he'll also be a head coach not a manager.
UTB
We've spent about 10.5 in his 11 months in charge, but sold 30m+ Very strong case to argue that we never replaced Tav.
 
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