Wigan turn down Wilder

well sheff utd were already warning people off him after his run but we took a chance on him and got exactly what they said we we would get. At the time with it just being a one off you tend to think its a bit of both sides and mostly about results.

I'm certain its well documented and known between owners what he was like at our club, so no doubt he is quickly dropping down the food chain as think alot of the football world outside our club knows we wouldn't of sacked him the way we did unless there was serious issues and I'm certain Gibbo would let any would be employers know what he thought of the man before they employed them.

Be a brave man to give him another crack of the whip with the better teams in the league or premier league as he wants so bad.

Wigan do right, I'm sure he would keep them from going down, but what's the odds soon as there's a better job he takes it or tries to again. Going to be a desperate team take him on, if he had been less pig headed and concentrated at the job at hand and results didn't go his way but there was that much of a fall out, then maybe he would of only just been sacked for the break, or if he still got sacked when he did I think he would of at least got a job like WBA out of it, he's not going to get them chances without over performing again and I'd still be wary as a club owner where his loyalties would lie
 
There is no proof of that, but you seem to accepted it as fact
I was told at the time by the only people I know linked with the club directly, that he wanted the Burnley job.

As a blinkered Boro fan it made no sense to me so I didn't believe it. I was told a number of other things that I chose not to believe but they all turned out to be true.

Then after that his behaviour towards the players, new and old was very bizarre and it seemed like he was doing everything he could to get the sack.

Im looking forward to him coming back at some point so we can reprise 'oh Wilder said' with some choice lyrics or just put Burnley players names instead.
 
I was told at the time by the only people I know linked with the club directly, that he wanted the Burnley job.

As a blinkered Boro fan it made no sense to me so I didn't believe it. I was told a number of other things that I chose not to believe but they all turned out to be true.

Then after that his behaviour towards the players, new and old was very bizarre and it seemed like he was doing everything he could to get the sack.

Im looking forward to him coming back at some point so we can reprise 'oh Wilder said' with some choice lyrics or just put Burnley players names instead.
Wilder wanting the Burnley job and wilder courting are 2 separate things though
 
It just happened to be in the stands for burley vs Chelsea before our cup game against Chelsea. That myth has been busted a few times already but is still peddled out now

American_mary who is one of the most respected members of this board has stated that Burnley never courted Wilder.

Results actually started to become more unsettled in January. Which suggests a difference on transfer policy started to become fractured
I always thought the way he handled the Burnley links was a leverage play, cause a bit of unrest, then next thing gibbo rings you to see if they a problem, there isn't but was a way to go over his January gripes about being backed etc and wants reassurance its not going to happen again in summer which Gibbos hands are kinda forced to humour him with the rest of the season at risk,
but I think his card will of been marked from that date if Gibbo felt like he was trying to force his hand and would leave if never (once wilder knew he had all the fans behind him and looked like could make play offs with a bit of luck).

Any interest shown else where in other jobs I'm certain was reported back to him when he was applying and that just forced his hands with the string of bad results.

Don't think maybe Jan had that much impact on results, and think that was more down to him trying to get what we saw out of his signings and we all know they didn't live up to the potential, except maybe Balogan towards his last starts seemed to finally be clicking with the league and then he was pulled from the team completely lol. His good run though when you look with hindsight was near enough all down to their home record. We were terrible away and soon as we suffered a drop in form at home (whcih was inevitable at some point) we had nothing in the away matches to compensate for it. I saw someone post during wilders time in charge how our stats compared to Sheff utd home and away, and we were near enough the same as them at home, but showed the away matches we were trying to play the same way and they clearly did not play the same away as they did at home and that was why they were getting results away from home too. Which to me kinda backs up the one trick pony claims many were saying when he was appointed and during his run. When ever we lost it was down to players making mistakes and not following the system, but think the system he wanted to play we needed far better players suited to it, he just refused to change the system to work with what we got and insisted we needed to buy people to make it work, whilst yeah is partially correct but he knew when he joined we couldn't go on spending sprees and buy everyone and when you look at the list of players he wanted that we failed to get, 90% of them have had uninspiring seasons so far, we could have alot of dead weight and wilder sacked if we got them all and much less money for carrick if he got his own way. I have no doubts he was very much involved in all the recruitment and only part he will of been left out is agreeing the wages and fees, but his body language and how likeable he comes across I can't help but think if his team is not flying at the top of the league he is probably a hard personality to sell to a top young player that you will be playing under and I have no doubt he will of put plenty off who had other options to pursue. You can see it during that transfer window documentary that he was filmed at another club, most of the people in them videos were just clearly using him for leverage for better deals or back up plans and he didn't seem to be that good at making a decent bond with people on the phone to convince them to come along and sign up
 
There is no proof of that, but you seem to accepted it as fact
No solid proof, but Scott hinted very strongly in a press conference after Carrick was appointed that Wilder was looking elsewhere while here.

Added with the persistent rumours and his vague comments on being questioned about the Burnley job and while you couldn't say for certain he was courting other clubs while here, the evidence seems to suggest he was.

Seems more likely to be the case than not. He almost certainly wasn't committed to being here long term, I think Scott was pretty clear on that point.
 
All we definitely know is that he handled things badly in his media conferences when the Burnley job was going.

He should have said straight away I am 100% commited to getting MFC into the Premier League, right from the beginning and all the time.

The start of the season was frustrating for all, we were not getting results we should have got and that created an unhealthy atmosphere.

We won more games than we lost under Wilder and he did not have parachute payment players unlike Monk, Pulis, Woody, and Warnock.
 
Sorry, but if the powers that be at Sheff Utd thought so little of him, why on earth would they warn divisional rivals off him??

Wilder will get another championship job no problem.
because most of the chairmen know each other and have relationships between them and talk to each other. I think alot are friends with each other and although they want to do better than everyone else they probably do not wish someone to take their kindness for weakness and have bad experiences with managers if they can be avoided and when managers come out and point the blame firmly at you and your board/staff then I think many will want to let the people they have that relationship know just what they were really like so someone else does not empower them more.

it's not a case of thinking this should be fun lets see what they do here and there and keep quiet or giving him a glowing reference - sure there is some benefit with that,
but also probably also more benefit in reducing his chances of going to a promotion contender and it working with him as well.

As I think most of the time he is probably more likely to do well in the first year or two and maybe achieve the goals and then more his head grows the problems he known for come out the woodwork. Thats why we took a chance on him as at the time it was their word vs his and one occasion of this being the outcome. When the same stuff has happened with us its simply confirmed Sheff Utd were right, we have backed it up and made it public knowledge how bad its gone with him, god knows what they have said behind closed doors to other clubs owners lol.
No solid proof, but Scott hinted very strongly in a press conference after Carrick was appointed that Wilder was looking elsewhere while here.

Added with the persistent rumours and his vague comments on being questioned about the Burnley job and while you couldn't say for certain he was courting other clubs while here, the evidence seems to suggest he was.

Seems more likely to be the case than not. He almost certainly wasn't committed to being here long term, I think Scott was pretty clear on that point.
yeah sure it was the bournmouth job he had actually applied for, which I think if your managers applying for jobs and the clubs arent interested there is probably a high chance they pass the info back onto his own clubs chariman if they have any sort of relationship to just watch him he not loyal.
 
No solid proof, but Scott hinted very strongly in a press conference after Carrick was appointed that Wilder was looking elsewhere while here.

Added with the persistent rumours and his vague comments on being questioned about the Burnley job and while you couldn't say for certain he was courting other clubs while here, the evidence seems to suggest he was.

Seems more likely to be the case than not. He almost certainly wasn't committed to being here long term, I think Scott was pretty clear on that point.
It seems pretty clear to me that Scott and Wilder did not get on at all.
We've barely heard Scott's side of it and heard nothing from Wilder, so at this point it is all conjecture.

Wilder wasn't backed - and nobody knows what was said to entice him to us.
However he man managed things and communicated very poorly, results became consistently poor and unless Gibson changed the regime with Bausor and Scott, then Wilder had to go.
 
All we definitely know is that he handled things badly in his media conferences when the Burnley job was going.

He should have said straight away I am 100% commited to getting MFC into the Premier League, right from the beginning and all the time.

The start of the season was frustrating for all, we were not getting results we should have got and that created an unhealthy atmosphere.

We won more games than we lost under Wilder and he did not have parachute payment players unlike Monk, Pulis, Woody, and Warnock.
I can't help think if he wasn't so abrasive behind the scenes they would of backed him far more, I think they had already marked his card as on the ropes before the season started as his form wasn't great and any issues they had with him must of been clear by then, he never got any form this season so once he was sussed at applying for other jobs they had no choice to bin him
 
All we definitely know is that he handled things badly in his media conferences when the Burnley job was going.

He should have said straight away I am 100% commited to getting MFC into the Premier League, right from the beginning and all the time.

The start of the season was frustrating for all, we were not getting results we should have got and that created an unhealthy atmosphere.

We won more games than we lost under Wilder and he did not have parachute payment players unlike Monk, Pulis, Woody, and Warnock.
In fairness tob Woody and especially Warnock, there were no parachute payments left when they managed. Uncle tony had made sure of that.
 
Sick of seeing people say Wilder wasn't backed. Shall we go through the transfers he received again?

Man City's number 2 goalkeeper and international
League 2's best keeper
Best LWB in the league
Blackburns captain courted by many in our division
An experienced ex promotion winning captain as a back up
A center half that won't POTS 4 of the last 5 seasons
Arsenal's most promising talent courted by half of Europe
A Finnish International who's hit double figures in a promotion winning team
A young American international with 6 goals in the bundesliga
A young Brazillian with 6 goals in a promotion steam roller season .

I've basically left out Mowatt and Connolly because they're poor but if any manager in this division was handed that, they'd be happy.
He wanted to buy a big name striker for £15-£20 million.

He had Hackney here, perfect Tav replacement, Akpom.
He let Payero go without much of a chance.
He had the tools, he just couldn't get them to work
 
It just happened to be in the stands for burley vs Chelsea before our cup game against Chelsea. That myth has been busted a few times already but is still peddled out now

American_mary who is one of the most respected members of this board has stated that Burnley never courted Wilder.

Results actually started to become more unsettled in January. Which suggests a difference on transfer policy started to become fractured
There is no smoke without fire and there was a lot of smoke but like me, you can't argue 100% that he didn't court other clubs and are going on the say so of another board member.

One thing I hope we can agree on, I am glad to see the back of him.
 
There is no smoke without fire and there was a lot of smoke but like me, you can't argue 100% that he didn't court other clubs and are going on the say so of another board member.

One thing I hope we can agree on, I am glad to see the back of him.
Ye can agree on that. I think he was and for the club. Can imagine he spat his dummy out with Scott and I think that was the reason for his downfall

Hopefully we get the answer to what actually happened at some point. Whether it was courting, a breakdown or just results
 
Sick of seeing people say Wilder wasn't backed. Shall we go through the transfers he received again?

Man City's number 2 goalkeeper and international
League 2's best keeper
Best LWB in the league
Blackburns captain courted by many in our division
An experienced ex promotion winning captain as a back up
A center half that won't POTS 4 of the last 5 seasons
Arsenal's most promising talent courted by half of Europe
A Finnish International who's hit double figures in a promotion winning team
A young American international with 6 goals in the bundesliga
A young Brazillian with 6 goals in a promotion steam roller season .

I've basically left out Mowatt and Connolly because they're poor but if any manager in this division was handed that, they'd be happy.
He wanted to buy a big name striker for £15-£20 million.

He had Hackney here, perfect Tav replacement, Akpom.
He let Payero go without much of a chance.
He had the tools, he just couldn't get them to work
He wanted Dwight Gayle.. Chris Wilder’s Keiffer Moore
 
Sick of seeing people say Wilder wasn't backed. Shall we go through the transfers he received again?

Man City's number 2 goalkeeper and international
League 2's best keeper
Best LWB in the league
Blackburns captain courted by many in our division
An experienced ex promotion winning captain as a back up
A center half that won't POTS 4 of the last 5 seasons
Arsenal's most promising talent courted by half of Europe
A Finnish International who's hit double figures in a promotion winning team
A young American international with 6 goals in the bundesliga
A young Brazillian with 6 goals in a promotion steam roller season .

I've basically left out Mowatt and Connolly because they're poor but if any manager in this division was handed that, they'd be happy.
He wanted to buy a big name striker for £15-£20 million.

He had Hackney here, perfect Tav replacement, Akpom.
He let Payero go without much of a chance.
He had the tools, he just couldn't get them to work
Give over man - are you really saying we had two good windows?
Really?
I'm not saying Wilder handled things well, but you have no idea what he was promised and how it compares to what he was given.
Nobody knows for sure who wanted to sign who.
 
Give over man - are you really saying we had two good windows?
Really?
I'm not saying Wilder handled things well, but you have no idea what he was promised and how it compares to what he was given.
Nobody knows for sure who wanted to sign who.
Wilder wanted Gayle and McGoldrick..
 
I always thought the way he handled the Burnley links was a leverage play, cause a bit of unrest, then next thing gibbo rings you to see if they a problem, there isn't but was a way to go over his January gripes about being backed etc and wants reassurance its not going to happen again in summer which Gibbos hands are kinda forced to humour him with the rest of the season at risk,
but I think his card will of been marked from that date if Gibbo felt like he was trying to force his hand and would leave if never (once wilder knew he had all the fans behind him and looked like could make play offs with a bit of luck).

Any interest shown else where in other jobs I'm certain was reported back to him when he was applying and that just forced his hands with the string of bad results.

Don't think maybe Jan had that much impact on results, and think that was more down to him trying to get what we saw out of his signings and we all know they didn't live up to the potential, except maybe Balogan towards his last starts seemed to finally be clicking with the league and then he was pulled from the team completely lol. His good run though when you look with hindsight was near enough all down to their home record. We were terrible away and soon as we suffered a drop in form at home (whcih was inevitable at some point) we had nothing in the away matches to compensate for it. I saw someone post during wilders time in charge how our stats compared to Sheff utd home and away, and we were near enough the same as them at home, but showed the away matches we were trying to play the same way and they clearly did not play the same away as they did at home and that was why they were getting results away from home too. Which to me kinda backs up the one trick pony claims many were saying when he was appointed and during his run. When ever we lost it was down to players making mistakes and not following the system, but think the system he wanted to play we needed far better players suited to it, he just refused to change the system to work with what we got and insisted we needed to buy people to make it work, whilst yeah is partially correct but he knew when he joined we couldn't go on spending sprees and buy everyone and when you look at the list of players he wanted that we failed to get, 90% of them have had uninspiring seasons so far, we could have alot of dead weight and wilder sacked if we got them all and much less money for carrick if he got his own way. I have no doubts he was very much involved in all the recruitment and only part he will of been left out is agreeing the wages and fees, but his body language and how likeable he comes across I can't help but think if his team is not flying at the top of the league he is probably a hard personality to sell to a top young player that you will be playing under and I have no doubt he will of put plenty off who had other options to pursue. You can see it during that transfer window documentary that he was filmed at another club, most of the people in them videos were just clearly using him for leverage for better deals or back up plans and he didn't seem to be that good at making a decent bond with people on the phone to convince them to come along and sign up
And breath...........
 
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