Why would you not take a vaccination?

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

there is plenty of data that tells you being vaccinated leaves you less likely to have a severe case requiring hospital stays And death.

there is also plenty about reduced transmission from the vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421912202613829633

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1421191487233171467?s=21

 

[Randy]

there is plenty of data that tells you being vaccinated leaves you less likely to have a severe case requiring hospital stays And death.

there is also plenty about reduced transmission from the vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421912202613829633

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1421191487233171467?s=21

Yes but this data isn't been used by the government/NHS to persuade people to get vaccinated.
They are threatening folks with no entry to social activities, that's just going to **** people off.

 

[Laughing]

there is plenty of data that tells you being vaccinated leaves you less likely to have a severe case requiring hospital stays And death.

there is also plenty about reduced transmission from the vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421912202613829633

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1421191487233171467?s=21

The numbers in the article I linked to suggest that twitter post is badly worded.

If vaccinated AND you are unlucky enough to be infected the liklihood of hospitalisation doesn't fall very much.

The graph in that twitter account, I assume, gives the chances of hospitalization amongst the general vaccinated population.

If 40% of hospital admissions are vaccinated and 47% of infections are at least partly vaccinated then once vaccinated if you do catch covid you are still almost as likely to be hospitalised as those who catch covid but are unvaccinated. If you talk about fully vaccinated folks, I think only about 13% of infections are amongst the fully vaccinated.

The main protection of vaccines is from becoming infected not from hospitalization once infected.

 

[SmallTown]

Yes but this data isn't been used by the government/NHS to persuade people to get vaccinated.
They are threatening folks with no entry to social activities, that's just going to **** people off.

Because it being statistically safer to have a vaccine just won’t sink in with some people. Indeed it hasn’t. Stopping people doing things because they aren’t vaccinated well give them a better hint that it’s the right thing to do

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

I don't think it's this at all. The youngsters I speak to have largely been vaccinated but didn't see the point in doing so. The ones who are still not vaccinated just don't see the point.

Yeah there are people talking conspiracy crap up but I suspect they are a tiny minority.

This board demography is middle aged men. I can understand why a 20 year old isn't very worried about Covid.

Good to note that my opinion is based on personal experience but my opinion is supported by the WHO who have done extensive research on this subject.

Conspiracy nuts don't even factor into the reasons given.

I'm not taking about 'conspiracy nuts', just that society is generally less trusting and more fearful these days.

I know plenty of people who don't want to get vaccinated because they are fearful of long term effects.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

So there is some misinformation on the Internet around this. Vallance originally said that 60% of hospital admissions were amongst the fully vaccinated, this was on German TV. He later retracted that statement as a mistake amending his statement to 40% of hospital admissions are fully vaccinated.

This was on the 17th of July. I can't find the original article but it could have been based on the quote from Vallance.

At the beginning of July this article has a good graph showing the breakdown of vaccinated, partially vaccinated and unvaccinated positive cases. The correlation between a positive test and hospitalizations is a bit close for my liking, but clearly you are much less likely to catch covid once vaccinated, as you would expect.

Almost half of UK COVID infections are in people who are at least partly vaccinated, study suggests. But the cases were much milder.

Cases among vaccinated people could soon overtake cases among unvaccinated, according to data presented by the UK's ZOE COVID Symptom Study.

www.businessinsider.com

COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated

Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news conference 60% of coronavirus-related hospital admissions were double-jabbed people - but he later corrected himself.

news.sky.com

 

[Redlips]

I'm not taking about 'conspiracy nuts', just that society is generally less trusting and more fearful these days.

I know plenty of people who don't want to get vaccinated because they are fearful of long term effects.

I do think you can call people nut jobs and selfish.

People just don’t trust the government, the pace at which the jabs are rushed out, a lack of trust of the media.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

I do think you can call people nut jobs and selfish.

People just don’t trust the government, the pace at which the jabs are rushed out, a lack of trust of the media.

I think the average person is ill-informed and easy influenced, not just regarding this, but generally.

You only have to see how informed most voters are; many people vote based on headlines and even a barely superficial understanding of the manifestos at hand.

 

[chickenrunner]

I think a lot of younger people aren't getting the vaccine, not because they're fearful or have been taken in by conspiracy rubbish, but because they just don't see covid as a threat to themselves (in risk terms they're right).
I'm 62 and have had flu twice in my entire life (it's 'orrible) but I haven't had the flu vaccine 'cos I don't see flu as a threat to me. Same thinking as a lot of young people so I can't really be critical of them.

 

[Redlips]

I think the average person is ill-informed and easy influenced, not just regarding this, but generally.

You only have to see how informed most voters are; many people vote based on headlines and even a barely superficial understanding of the manifestos at hand.

People believe the Daily Mail.

 

[Laughing]

COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated

Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news conference 60% of coronavirus-related hospital admissions were double-jabbed people - but he later corrected himself.

news.sky.com

I was aware it had been corrected but only after I looked today Gene. I don't think either the miss speak or correction were highly reported, I just happened to look based on a discussion with bear on the same topic a few weeks ago.

 

[Laughing]

I'm not taking about 'conspiracy nuts', just that society is generally less trusting and more fearful these days.

I know plenty of people who don't want to get vaccinated because they are fearful of long term effects.

This may be true, and if it is, I can see why that would be given some of the recent World leaders.

Mistrust of science is really interesting and it's usually based on little understanding of scientific methods.

Mostly we don't have, for example laws of physics because science realises that over time most theories are eventually replaced or amended as we learn more.

That generalisation makes it easy for someone to disagree with scientific opinion without really having a counter argument.

General relativity may well be wrong as could be aspects of gravity but they work well enough to shoot a probe across our solar system and come within a few meters of where you want it to be.

However some complete assumptions have occasionally been discarded and usually with a huge amount of resistance, think for a minute about heliocentric pushback.

 

[Randy]

Except that approach isn't working is it? The numbers speak for themselves.

You aren't legally allowed to drink until your 18 in this country for example but we all rebelled when we were below that age and got ***ed down the beach or in the local park, or snuck into nightclubs. Similar things.

Because it being statistically safer to have a vaccine just won’t sink in with some people. Indeed it hasn’t. Stopping people doing things because they aren’t vaccinated well give them a better hint that it’s the right thing to do

 

[SmallTown]

Except that approach isn't working is it? The numbers speak for themselves.

You aren't legally allowed to drink until your 18 in this country for example but we all rebelled when we were below that age and got p****d down the beach or in the local park, or snuck into nightclubs. Similar things.

It should get more people working out how important vaccines are. You know how people are. It’ll be more effective than an add saying “you’re 63.2% safer with a vaccine. No one will care about that

 

[Laughing]

Except that approach isn't working is it? The numbers speak for themselves.

You aren't legally allowed to drink until your 18 in this country for example but we all rebelled when we were below that age and got p****d down the beach or in the local park, or snuck into nightclubs. Similar things.

Randy I think most on this board think like middle aged men and really forget how our opinions were formed as younger men.

Educate them and let them make up their own minds.

 

[Laughing]

It should get more people working out how important vaccines are. You know how people are. It’ll be more effective than an add saying “you’re 63.2% safer with a vaccine. No one will care about that

Passports for football won't happen.