Why do football managers think fans don't understand tactics or team selections?

MolteniArcore said:
I know a football manager who has managed some very high profile clubs. His view on what is going on is different to our point of view. We all watch the same game but us watching on TV or live don't have all the information.

We don't know what the players have been told to do, injuries, fatigue, dissent, what's been discussed in training, stuff going on with the player in their personal lives, how much freedom players have been given etc etc etc - the list is endless.

He can explain it very well in person to us but you can't come out with that stuff in a post match interview.

Managers are professional - they have had years of coaching and experience. To think us watching games live or on the TV comes near is laughable.
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I've watched the every Tour, Giro and Vuelta for the past 30 years so I'm attempting the hour record next week at the sports village!
 
festa5 said:
Kante an "outstanding creative player"? Strange way to describe one of the finest defensive midfielders of his generation.

Sounds pretty clueless to me 😜
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24 assist in 328 games, yep he is not creative. Right that he was a great player, they just didn't figure out why he was great
 
Re: the team selection on Tuesday not being called out, I don't think that was the problem? Yes individual mistakes were made but it's bloody difficult to forecast individual mistakes, otherwise those players wouldn't be in the starting lineup surely?

The problem on Tuesday (first half) was the level of performance collectively, which was significantly below what is expected of the team, something which was corrected second half in fairness.
 
Kante probbaly would look a creative player at that level if you played him in a more advanced position

It's just he was even better putting out fires so he played there instead
 
Gunslinger said:
Kante probbaly would look a creative player at that level if you played him in a more advanced position

It's just he was even better putting out fires so he played there instead
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Didn't I read somewhere that kante could just run and run when compared to other footballers. That physical advantage must make a massive difference.
 
The thing is the pool they pick from is limited to former footballers, who are then picked to be manager largely on the basis of short term popularity. Take Garry monk. He had clearly done all his badges, played the game for years. That didn't take into account the fact that he was a F***ing idiot. Without any badges I could tell that traore was a hell of a player who would rip it up in the championship. I knew that Bamford was our best striker. I knew that spending 7million on someone with a handful of goals in league 1 was F***ing stupid. Why didn't Garry monk?

You see I wouldn't be able to set people up to mark from a corner as well as Garry monk. But there's no way on earth I would have based my side around five yard passer like Clayton playing as quarterback.

This is through 30 years of absorbing football. I don't have the extra bit of knowledge that pros have, but thanks to my knowledge I'm halfway there, whereas driving a bus, building a house, representing someone in court Im absolutely nowhere.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
The thing is the pool they pick from is limited to former footballers, who are then picked to be manager largely on the basis of short term popularity. Take Garry monk. He had clearly done all his badges, played the game for years. That didn't take into account the fact that he was a F***ing idiot. Without any badges I could tell that traore was a hell of a player who would rip it up in the championship. I knew that Bamford was our best striker. I knew that spending 7million on someone with a handful of goals in league 1 was F***ing stupid. Why didn't Garry monk?

You see I wouldn't be able to set people up to mark from a corner as well as Garry monk. But there's no way on earth I would have based my side around five yard passer like Clayton playing as quarterback.

This is through 30 years of absorbing football. I don't have the extra bit of knowledge that pros have, but thanks to my knowledge I'm halfway there, whereas driving a bus, building a house, representing someone in court Im absolutely nowhere.
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All well and good, but would you have an agent like Garry Monk's to 'help' with your transfer business?
 
Laughing said:
Didn't I read somewhere that kante could just run and run when compared to other footballers. That physical advantage must make a massive difference.
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Interestingly remember reading the same about Boateng.

Think he picked up the game quite late and needed a lot of work on his positioning and tactical awareness as a youngster but could just run all day without tiring.
 
Gunslinger said:
I have always found this a litte bizzare, when managers come out with waffle about it's not the tactics or it's not the players playing in this position or that position

As a fan who has watched football for over 30 years, i would like to think over the thousands of minutes of watching the game, watching players, watching different tactical approaches
I have a full understanding of the game

Do i really need to manage a team before i can deduce if the tactics are working , or if a player is up to a standard or worth the transfer fee or playing in a system and position that
suits his attributes?

Lost count of the number of times i've seen us sign a player and i've been able to judge his ability after about 10 minutes and hardly ever been wrong about it

Do fans have a good concept of football tactics, and players ability or are we all just deluded misguided plebs who pay but are not entitled to an opinion?
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Because 90% of them haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
The thing is the pool they pick from is limited to former footballers, who are then picked to be manager largely on the basis of short term popularity. Take Garry monk. He had clearly done all his badges, played the game for years. That didn't take into account the fact that he was a F***ing idiot. Without any badges I could tell that traore was a hell of a player who would rip it up in the championship. I knew that Bamford was our best striker. I knew that spending 7million on someone with a handful of goals in league 1 was F***ing stupid. Why didn't Garry monk?

You see I wouldn't be able to set people up to mark from a corner as well as Garry monk. But there's no way on earth I would have based my side around five yard passer like Clayton playing as quarterback.

This is through 30 years of absorbing football. I don't have the extra bit of knowledge that pros have, but thanks to my knowledge I'm halfway there, whereas driving a bus, building a house, representing someone in court Im absolutely nowhere.
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Snobbery is the answer as us mere mortals ( punters) couldn’t possibly Understsnd the complex world they live in. How many caps/games have you got was often the cry to belittle fans views.

but there is one exception FOREIGN COACHES look at AVB a school kid that has never kicked a ball in anger yet he got the Chelsea job.

No way would any English coach get that opportunity.

Even now the so called elite ex players are raising eyebrows about Graham potter.
 
Soutra said:
Most fans can tell when players and teams are struggling. Occasionally one or two new signings can transform the fortunes of a team, but mostly teams don't play well because the manager wants the players to play in a way which they can't, or won't. We've all seen teams relegated when, with the players available, they should have done better.

The issue - in my opinion - is that most managers are ex players, and use the same motivation that was used on them, use the same tactics their manager used, see the game as it was when they played 20 or 30 years ago. It might work, but with European players and continental players, it's more likely to fail. And unfortunately, most managers are thick as castle doors, so don't think about other ways to get the job done.

There are so many stats available to managers nowadays but most managers don't use them. When a particular goalie punches away a corner, where does it end up most often? Put an attacker where it's most likely to go and maybe you can play it straight back in. Is a goalie susceptible to long shots? Is a defender regularly out of position?

The managers that succeed take a far more detailed approach to the game, on and off the field. Some players can't adapt to new ways and get moved on. Others thrive. Management now is much more than deciding you want to play 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 and tell the players to get on with it. I don't think Chris Wilder sees it any other way.
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Chris Wilder sees it far more pragmatically and believes flexibility in tactics, system, formation and personnel is a crucial part of his approach [along with the work of the Management Team]. Go to the article in last nights Match Day thread and read it for yourself, or watch his Friday Media Conference v Rotherham:

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.....As he explained: "Its easy to Manage when the Team is winning". Its when they are not playing well, that everyone has to reflect and step up to the challenge...."maybe [we have to] sacrifice part of our game to reset and go again(?)".
 
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