What should we do with the NHS?

Wiseman_Vaughn

Wiseman_Vaughn

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I'm coming around to thinking that if you can pay for treatment - you should - giving relief to people that need it and can't afford it - elderly, unemployed and low pay should all be exempt.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I'm coming around to thinking that if you can pay for treatment - you should - giving relief to people that need it and can't afford it - elderly, unemployed and low pay should all be exempt.
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Fund it properly. Privatising healthcare is a slippery slope and will only benefit the already wealthy at the detriment of ordinary working people. Just look at America.
 
people are dying on waiting lists - it's broken - something needs to be done. People with $$$ will opt for private if their livliehood is threatened anyway
 
You shouldnt have to pay for healthcare. The current demise of the health service means that people are suddenly self funding care to beat the waiting list. This takes services privately in search of the money.

I feel people shouldn't be able to/ have to pay to jump a queue for healthcare or basic services.

The current debate is because it has been pushed that waiting lists are normal and expected. They weren't.
 
The number one factor that most economists identify as the problem with the UK is productivity.

Making sure that those who should be working are doing so should be the number one priority of governance.
 
I'm frustrated and worried that there is little political win to fix it - either from this lot or the next lot. It needs fresh thinking and new ideas.
 
Suppose the thing is those who can easily pay for treatment probably already do.

There are plenty more who "could" pay for treatment but it'd take a big chunk out of their disposal income. Break your leg, tough luck no holiday for you.

Become diabetic, better downsize your house.

How would you draw the line on who could afford it and how would it be fair? Not to mention putting people off getting things checked out and catching stuff early.

Most people don't choose to become ill or injured. It's usually completely out of their control. So you're talking about penalising people for getting sick.

Nope not for me.
 
I've experienced private health care living abroad. Employers were obliged to give you this as a part of your employment contract. I only needed to use it once or twice but it proved very effective without any waiting lists.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I've experienced private health care living abroad. Employers were obliged to give you this as a part of your employment contract. I only needed to use it once or twice but it proved very effective without any waiting lists.
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Yeah and I can see the Tories implementing that requirement here :rolleyes:
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I agree with Bevan's statement - he is right. But in the real world people are dying on hosital floors and trolleys. Nureses and doctors are overworked and underpaid.
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Yes and the answer to that is for the government to fund it properly.

Not having a go at you directly, but the Tories are relying on people like you 'coming around' to this way of thinking.

Yes, there are other methods of healthcare as we can see across Europe. Some are very good. None are what the Tories would introduce. They want an entirely insurance based system to make profit, which would be disastrous for the country.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
then it's free
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What if you are employed but can't afford it? What if you are employed but have two or three things happen quickly? What if you avoid having something checked due to cost and then it becomes more serious, so more expensive? What happens in an insurance based system when insurers won't cover pre-existing conditions?

No, no, no!!!!
 
the vultures need to be taken away from it, reverse the health and social care act of 2010 all the PFI contracts are unreasonable and should be voided on that basis.
 
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