What is Israel trying to achieve?

motownjunk said:
Iran were behind the HAMAs and the original attack so I presume Iran wanted this to play out the way it has, as there was no way Israel was not going to do anything even if Neyanyahu wasn't in charge . I thought the original attack was to stop the deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia, which Iran was dead against for lots of reasons, not so sure now.
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Hamas only started due to the poor conditions inside Palestine Israel created
 
It’s not looking good folks. And by the way. It’ll create more inflation here in the uk as shipping costs spiral upwards and we import so much stuff 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
I think I am showing my ignorance here but I genuinely don't know the answers
What is a Jew?
What is a Zionist?
What is a Semite?
What are the main differences between them?
I have never been able to understand all this.
 
starplayer said:
I think Israel are systematically destroying the leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas and daring Iran to interfere. When they do they will ensure Irans nuclear aspirations are well and truly destroyed. Iran, through it’s proxies are Israels enemy and also as much an enemy to the palestinian people and lebanese. Lebanon is a sovereign state but its army is helpless against hezbollah. How can Israelis feel safe with that scenario on their northern border? Likewise with Hamas in Gaza. As always though it is the innocent millions of palestinians and now lebanese that find themselves in the midst of absolute hell. They are the disproportionate losers in this and have been victims all of my lifetime pretty much. Palestinians deserve a state of their own but are powerless to prevent a group like Hamas or Hezbollah forming an army which would camp on Israels doorstep. As we see now in lebanon, Israel will not allow that. I dont blame them for that either. I would not want an entity focused on the destruction of my country literally next door. The conflict I have with my thinking is how Israel robs land from palestinians for new Israeli settlements which is criminal to me yet goes on unabated. I might know what I would like to happen over there but that is not real life as there are so many destructive elements on all sides that I think I have accepted that there will be absolutely no change at all for the rest of my lifetime.
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Spot on, for me.
 
He needs to maintain a conflict. While war continues he will not have to face various charges of a financial nature that would probably send him to prison
 
red_harrington said:
All the more reason why my statement stands to be true: the ONLY way out of this is through negotiation and compromise - on both sides.
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The brutal historical reality is that not only is this not the only way to a lasting peace, harsh experience suggests it isn’t even the usual way to a lasting peace. A negotiated settlement after an inconclusive conflict that leaves the interface populations in place generally leads to continued eruptions of conflict, just as it has for over a century in Ireland, just as it did after the first world war in respect of the German populations of Eastern Europe, and just as it has in Bosnia and Kosovo. A complete military victory followed by the entire eradication of one of the problem populations is in reality what usually creates the facts on the ground for peace, just as it did after the first world war with Christian minorities in Turkey and after the second world war with the German populations of Eastern Europe, and just as it has more recently with formerly Serbian areas of Croatia, and formerly Armenian areas of Azerbaijan.

I don’t know if Israel is definitely after this sort of fact on the ground. If it was, I would assume it would have more focus on the West Bank. But it’s wrong to say it never works.
 
Iran were quite possibly hoping and largely knew that this latest attack would be intercepted and neutralised. They get a political tick for responding, Israel get a political tick for defending it. If Israel now go again, that could run this beyond the public show over actual intent approach that it is.
 
TurnbullsCans said:
Iran were quite possibly hoping and largely knew that this latest attack would be intercepted and neutralised. They get a political tick for responding, Israel get a political tick for defending it. If Israel now go again, that could run this beyond the public show over actual intent approach that it is.
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I don’t buy this, I wasn’t convinced by it last time.

Israel are going to hit them this time.
 
I guess it's a case of wiping out the 'enemy' once and for all. I doubt it's that simplistic.

Yet they probably see this as an opportunity to make an end game move. It's a conflict thats cost many lives and gone on years. I imagine both sides have looked at this as an effective final push.

You'd have to back Israel based on sheer numbers and equipment etc. I guess they will think they won't get a better chance. That's at any cost.
 
FishofContemplation said:
I don’t know if Israel is definitely after this sort of fact on the ground. If it was, I would assume it would have more focus on the West Bank. But it’s wrong to say it never works.
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Annihilation of surrounding population simply cannot work in Israel's case simply because there is too much ground to cover and animosity surrounds Israel in great depth from all sides. They will continue to engender grief for many years to come - unless they work out a negotiated solution. Sadly this does appear very far away now, especially with their current policy of outward aggression. But it IS possible, eventually, just as it has become so in Ireland. Sharing and tolerance is the solution, and it will happen sooner or later.
 
The ‘War’ will never be won, not until mankind ceases to exist anyway. Only short lived victories until the defeated regroup or re-evolve.
Best just staying out of it if you can.
 
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