What happens when you die?

I thought about this a lot as I approached my 30th Birthday. Had some dark thoughts at the time.......

What's the use in caring about anything when we'll be dead one day and it won't matter?

What's the use in caring about Boro - you won't even be aware of how Boro are performing after you die.

In all honesty, I believe that once you die it will be the same as before you were born - you simply won't exist. It's a scary thought but I guess the key is not to think about it and take life as it comes.
 
Laughing said:
The big bang is the obvious answer, the next question is what was before the big bang. The scientific truth is energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore there has always been energy. If there has always been energy why not fundamental particles.
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Surely thought something can not always exist. Energy has to have a starting point as well? I try not to think about it as it hurts my Brian. Everytime you have a new starting point you have to go every further and say how did that happen
 
GazC_MFC said:
Surely thought something can not always exist. Energy has to have a starting point as well? I try not to think about it as it hurts my Brian. Everytime you have a new starting point you have to go every further and say how did that happen
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That's human nature. Because we have the concept of stay and finish hardwired, birth then death, we can't conceive something that's forever.

Bare in mind that at the big bang there was no time so at that point forever wasn't just a concept it existed in a single point in time.

As far as science can explain energy has always existed we cannot create it and we cannot destroy it. It just is. The first law of thermo dynamics was discovered in 1850 so its been peer reviewed plenty.

At the point of the big bang all energy existed in a single point in space and time. At that density time was meaningless to an observer billions of years could pass in the singularity no time had passed at all, not one solitary second.
 
Laughing said:
Exactly. There is no real reason why the universe had to start. As I said earlier energy is eternal so why not fundamental particles.
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It's the total of energy + matter that cannot change. Energy can be changed into matter (therefore not eternal as energy) and matter into energy
 
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BoroBukowski said:
It is the total of energy + matter that cannot change. Energy can be changed into matter (therefore not eternal as energy) and matter into energy
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Not quite when energy is converted into matter it become potential energy, or chemical energy, depending on the matter created.
 
Getting away from the degree level physics, having just became a Grandfather the genetic programming amazes me , the mini movement of the face that shows the bairns lineage.
The same thing that shows in my 50 year old brother in law, in how he walks, sits down and pulls up a chair exactly as his father ( who died when my brother in law was in his teens) did it's unnerving and assuring at the same time.
What happens after you die??? If you have kids, a lot of " you" lives on.
 
Great thread this.

I'm in the remember what it was like before you were born? group.

The past life stuff is really intriguing but in my view it is just a law of averages thing. Kids say all kinds of weird rubbish, I suppose very rarely they will come up with the plane crash stuff above and then it becomes memorable. The years and years of gibberish is quickly forgotten.
 
I really think one invention that will transform people's belief system is film.
Most of the dominant religion have us coming back ( reincarnated on earth or resurrected into heaven)
Fine if you believe we are all unique individuals.
Film and video can show ( up to now ) 2 or 3 generations moving and talking in so many familiar ways to make people thing again about our absolute uniqueness.
Of course we don't know if the thought processes are reproduced this way but I do know that I could second guess my daughter's ( who took after me),way of thinking up to her early teens, as could my wife for our other daughter who " took after her"
Not suggesting anything here other than that this snippet adds to my absolute fundamental credo of life and it's ultimate purpose and reason , that is best summed up as a happy " I don't know"

Life? Enjoy it, so far as we know it's better than the alternative.
 
Osboro said:
I really think one invention that will transform people's belief system is film.
Most of the dominant religion have us coming back ( reincarnated on earth or resurrected into heaven)
Fine if you believe we are all unique individuals.
Film and video can show ( up to now ) 2 or 3 generations moving and talking in so many familiar ways to make people thing again about our absolute uniqueness.
Of course we don't know if the thought processes are reproduced this way but I do know that I could second guess my daughter's ( who took after me),way of thinking up to her early teens, as could my wife for our other daughter who " took after her"
Not suggesting anything here other than that this snippet adds to my absolute fundamental credo of life and it's ultimate purpose and reason , that is best summed up as a happy " I don't know"

Life? Enjoy it, so far as we know it's better than the alternative.
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Isn’t that just about imitation though. You spend more time with your parents therefore you imitate them as you grow up
 
Osboro said:
I really think one invention that will transform people's belief system is film.
Most of the dominant religion have us coming back ( reincarnated on earth or resurrected into heaven)
Fine if you believe we are all unique individuals.
Film and video can show ( up to now ) 2 or 3 generations moving and talking in so many familiar ways to make people thing again about our absolute uniqueness.
Of course we don't know if the thought processes are reproduced this way but I do know that I could second guess my daughter's ( who took after me),way of thinking up to her early teens, as could my wife for our other daughter who " took after her"
Not suggesting anything here other than that this snippet adds to my absolute fundamental credo of life and it's ultimate purpose and reason , that is best summed up as a happy " I don't know"

Life? Enjoy it, so far as we know it's better than the alternative.
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The ultimate purpose of life is an interesting question. I suppose the simple answer is that we're here to propagate the human race. The "cosmic" answer is that we're actually an intrinsic part of The Universe that has developed to the point that it can observe and think about itself, so The Universe itself has, in us, the ability to think and self analyse, where this could lead to in a few billion years of evolution I don't know, but it's pretty mind blowing.
 
It's a difficult one really; because I "exist" I can't really contemplate "non-existence". We tend to think of it as something you experience, whereas you literally can't. But I think "that" is what awaits me.

I know that in a hundred years, probably less, there'll be no one left who remembers me in a physical sense; my digital footprint will probably last a lot longer. I've a horrible feeling that in essence humanity will neither have the intelligence or is physically able to leave the solar system. That means when the sun goes, the planet will go and everything that ever was to us, will be gone. I think that's probably happened many times over the history of the universe. Do we mourn a civilisation that died maybe a billion years ago? In the context of the universe we are very small, and philosophically speaking, the universe only exists in my mind anyway.

A good friend died a few days ago. I couldn't go for obvious reasons to the service, but I went to see his procession leave. He lived alone in a crappy part of the Boro. His car was outside still. The prosaic thought I had was well mate, you don't have to worry about car tax, or fixing those windows, or the bits of music that you always wanted to hear but never did.

What does depress me is the way some people choose to live their lives. Say by messing up other peoples or whatever. There's plenty of examples in the Gazette every day. But perhaps that should be the way to lead your life, as though nothing else apart from you actually matters.
 
It's a myth to say that science disproves life after death. There is no "proof" one way or the other. In the absence of solid proof, everyone has to make up their mind based on the available evidence. This is the scientific method, which applies in all unprovable areas, such as evolution, which can't be proved but is supported by increasing amounts of evidence.
 
A friend of mine lost his wife, father, sister, brother and son through various illnesses in a very short space of time. Apart from his wife, the deaths were all unexpected. I asked him how the heck has he managed to cope. His reply _" You're never dead until you are forgotten."
 
it depend who you are, some of us will go to heaven and some of us will end up in sunderland. - thats life !


death is part of living, and if whilst your living you have nothing to die for, then in my book you have nothing to live for.

you can be busy in life living and loving life, or you can be busy in life dying - thats the choice we have.
 
zaphod said:
It's a myth to say that science disproves life after death. There is no "proof" one way or the other. In the absence of solid proof, everyone has to make up their mind based on the available evidence. This is the scientific method, which applies in all unprovable areas, such as evolution, which can't be proved but is supported by increasing amounts of evidence.
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It has just about proven it. Most scientists want evolution to be re-classed from theory to law also.

Some scientific research done a few years ago now, found that immeadiately following death, nothing leaves the body that can be detected by modern instrumentation. The logical conclusion being that if a life force does exist, it doesnt interact with any physical forces known today.

As I said in my opening post on the thread, a new universal force may just have been discovered, it's yet to be peer reviewed, but assuming for a minute that it passes muster, and taht is by no means certain, it means that there are other forces in the universe we are as yet unaware of. If we are already aware of all universal forces, and there are only 4, then there is no life force and by extension no life after death.

Not proven just yet, but it is extremely unlikely there is life after death.
 
As one or two have said above it’s a mind boggling to think that when you die the passage of time will go on forever but that’s it for you.

But you won’t know because you don’t exist any more.

On the plus side the chances of having a life are unbelievably small so just by being able to steal a few years somewhere in existence makes you extremely lucky.

Time doesn’t really exist though does it? It’s a measurement system designed around one rotation of the earth around the sun. So saying time will go on and on doesn’t really mean anything. You exist or you don’t.

You can see why religions reassure with belief in an afterlife.
 
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