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I think now is the perfect time to talk about Nurses pay.

Standing on your doorstep and clapping the NHS is one thing, but how about we pay them properly instead? and actually start doing something about he systematic destruction and privatisation of the NHS that this Government has peddled for such a long time.

Classic slight of hand distraction technique from the Government "look at Brexit, dont look at the NHS"

Karma is a bitch.
 
I agree that now is definitely time to begin the pressure to raise the pay of essential workers.

However, this isn't cash for MPs, this is for them to be able to do their job. The NHS has also had budgetary increases. There have been huge short term changes to the way NHS Trusts are funded and some things are being signed off much more easily. Staff aren't getting more money in their pocket, except for where overtime is concerned because the restrictions have all been lifted.

Our Trust for example didn't have enough laptops to switch everyone that needed it to home working. But they managed to get 250 signed off and purchased in a day. That would usually take weeks. Public services are run very bureaucratically. This just offers more flexibility. We'd all be moaning if they couldn't do their jobs they were getting paid for just because they didn't have the right equipment.
 
"However, this isn't cash for MPs, this is for them to be able to do their job. "

In theory yes, but how many duck houses, coffee machines and juicers will be deemed essential?
 
boromike85 said:
I agree that now is definitely time to begin the pressure to raise the pay of essential workers.

However, this isn't cash for MPs, this is for them to be able to do their job. The NHS has also had budgetary increases.
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It's almost as if it's been chronically underfunded for years, whereas MP's have kept a steady flow of cash flowing to their pockets.

Your comparisons with the NHS are irrelevant.
 
To see this cockwaffle stood in front a sign that says "protect the NHS" when everything he has ever done has been to undermine and reduce the strength of the NHS is sickening.

but at least he delivered Brexit. Where exactly was the £350 million a week for the NHS?

Hypocrites.

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the tories have spent 10 years bashing the nhs, and lets be honest a good chunk of the population just were not interested, cuts to nursing bursaries etc. these decisions are coming home to roost, but just watch the deflection, it will be the people to blame, the Chinese , corbyn etc, any one but the tories, and you know what the majority will lap it up.
 
It's easy for it to become out of sight out of mind.

After you've lost a loved one in hospital the doctors can't say I told you more should have been spent on hospitals.

If the police bungle the investigation of a crime, people generally don't want to hear it's down to lack of funds.

When they were doing the Grenfell investigation the boss of the fire brigade would have been crucified if she had suggested the response would have been better had the London fire brigades been better funded.

The lack of funds has hugely impacted the public sectors ability to do its job properly over the last decade.
 
jam69 said:
the people to blame, the Chinese , corbyn etc, any one but the tories, and you know what the majority will lap it up.
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Because by acknowledging the culpability of the Tories for over a decade in running the NHS down in preparation to privatisation and the incompetent actions of this government when faced with the onset of a global pandemic, if they admit this they have to hold their hands up and confess to complicity either through self interest or ignorance.

And that takes courage, something in short supply amongst some in society who are just a little bit better off than the rest.
 
It's only the time to talk about nurses pay if you are a nurse, or care about them outside of a pandemic.

If you are the paymaster - this, indeed, is the worse time to talk about it best avoided. Negotiation strength is low.
 
jam69 said:
the tories have spent 10 years bashing the nhs, and lets be honest a good chunk of the population just were not interested, cuts to nursing bursaries etc. these decisions are coming home to roost, but just watch the deflection, it will be the people to blame, the Chinese , corbyn etc, any one but the tories, and you know what the majority will lap it up.
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The Chinese blame game has already started and it's a risky game to play too.
 
If you have an expenses budget of office supplies of £26k a year then why would you need another £10k to cover additional costs, doesn’t make a great deal of sense, surely the additional electricity costs will be cancelled out as their offices are not in use, there will be equipment in situ in their offices they can requisition to their homes, I don’t care what party any MP belongs to there is no justification for this additional allowance, this money should be directed towards saving lives not new lap tops and nice to have gadgets. Make do with what you have.
 
wilkos_perm said:
"However, this isn't cash for MPs, this is for them to be able to do their job"

Really? How many MPs don't already have most of the equipment they need? And cover for extra utility bills incurred? Really? It's no different to what the rest of us are experiencing.
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It's not just for the MP. It is for their staff as well. I don't know their situation but they might have desktop computers in the office and need laptops for home working. They might need additional software which carries licence fees etc. Some people might not even have broadband and rely on their mobile which is fine for browsing the internet but not doing actual work.

finny, I don't know what you do but how much of your data is sensitive and requires security measures because I presume an MP and their staff has access to sensitive data at time? Also, this is an increase to the budget. It is much easier than having to approve every individual purchase individually for each MPs office for trivial amounts. It's just increasing flexibility when it's needed. I already have a laptop and a VPN to work from home but the majority of our finance department don't and we've had to buy a load of laptops for them and we are having to upgrade our VPN hardware because we have a 250 user Trust wide limit but now have about 700 people working from home.

I'm guessing very few people here have experience of public sector budgets and bureaucracy but they are very slow and rules based. It is not suitable for a quick change to something like moving from one single office to everyone being at home.

Martin Lewis has been talking about how to claim for working from home so it is something that is relevant. I think the allowance is up to £6 per week so hardly bank breaking but still relevant.
 
Mike - I’ve no idea whether this is needed or not and do understand the bureaucracy.

Most businesses who are working through this (particularly retail) have recognised the brilliant work of the colleagues with some kind of thank you bonus.

Those at the very heart - nurses have had jack schoite apart from a round of applause.
The £5m for Johnson’s letter would have given them £20
The £10k of MPs is another example of finding money easily

It’s as if there are lots of priorities out there - but nurses aren’t part of it
 
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