We'll find a treatment for coronavirus – but drug companies will decide who gets it

You're in that area, aren't you? Do you know of companies that may conform to the Costa Rica memorandum for pooling information patent free? Or details of cheap vaccines for third world countries? Pharmaceutical company share prices are doing well.
 
bear66 said:
You're in that area, aren't you? Do you know of companies that may conform to the Costa Rica memorandum for pooling information patent free? Or details of cheap vaccines for third world countries? Pharmaceutical company share prices are doing well.
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A few drugs companies have started teaming up to help find a vaccine, sanofi and GSK being probably the biggest ones.

Also check out GAVI. A vaccines alliance of companies that should ensure vaccines can be distributed to everyone and not just the rich. Also most drugs companies set their prices according to market, so the poorest nations have access to expensive drugs. I can't see why this would change.
 
GAVI seems to concentrate on lowering child vaccination costs?

Hopefully countries like India get supplies at a third world price and at the same time as the developed world or patent donation allows them to manufacture their own.
 
bear66 said:
GAVI seems to concentrate on lowering child vaccination costs?

Hopefully countries like India get supplies at a third world price and at the same time as the developed world or patent donation allows them to manufacture their own.
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No reason why the companies of the GAVI alliances won't also provide this vaccine should one of them develop it.

The story has absolutely no evidence in it other than what was doing for HIV medicines, which cost millions to develop. They are just supposing what might happen before the fact and anti big pharma people will lap it up. It's based on the writers own prejudice.

People seem to forget that these vaccines aren't exactly cheap to create and manufacture. You can't magic them up.
 
That's a point Gates had made even though he's pushed for lower prices in many circumstances.

The area that would worry me is where specific cancer drugs are found to be beneficial for managing symptoms. These are unlikely to be cheap or patents pooled.

It's from the comment is free section. Not by journalists.

The two authors clearly have an interest in this area.

Achal Prabhala is a Shuttleworth Fellow and the co-ordinator of the AccessIBSA project, which campaigns for access to medicines in India, Brazil and South Africa.

Ellen ‘t Hoen is the director of Medicines Law & Policy, a researcher at the University Medical Centre Groningen, and a founder of the Medicines Patent Pool.
 
After reading through the article it at best an opinion piece and at worse a scare story as the reality is no one knows what will happen once a vaccine is created so to speculate like that I think is wreck less and unnecessary at a time like this.
 
bear66 said:
That's a point Gates had made even though he's pushed for lower prices in many circumstances.

The area that would worry me is where specific cancer drugs are found to be beneficial for managing symptoms. These are unlikely to be cheap or patents pooled.

It's from the comment is free section. Not by journalists.

The two authors clearly have an interest in this area.

Achal Prabhala is a Shuttleworth Fellow and the co-ordinator of the AccessIBSA project, which campaigns for access to medicines in India, Brazil and South Africa.

Ellen ‘t Hoen is the director of Medicines Law & Policy, a researcher at the University Medical Centre Groningen, and a founder of the Medicines Patent Pool.
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That's a different thing if a pre existing drug helps treat the condition. Different entirely. The company, should it exist, will already have invested hundreds of millions in getting the drug to market.
 
I agree but it would be a shame if a drug really can save the most severely ill patients never gets pay NICE criteria.
 
bear66 said:
That's a point Gates had made even though he's pushed for lower prices in many circumstances.

The area that would worry me is where specific cancer drugs are found to be beneficial for managing symptoms. These are unlikely to be cheap or patents pooled.

It's from the comment is free section. Not by journalists.

The two authors clearly have an interest in this area.

Achal Prabhala is a Shuttleworth Fellow and the co-ordinator of the AccessIBSA project, which campaigns for access to medicines in India, Brazil and South Africa.

Ellen ‘t Hoen is the director of Medicines Law & Policy, a researcher at the University Medical Centre Groningen, and a founder of the Medicines Patent Pool.
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Bill Gates is full of **** and his only agenda is making more money for himself and his interests.
He is not a modern day messiah like some around the world see him as.

I think the evidence that big pharma companies are teaming up with one another to work on treatments and vaccines for this is proof that we won't see massive fluctuations in prices.
 
RandySavage said:
Bill Gates is full of **** and his only agenda is making more money for himself and his interests.
He is not a modern day messiah like some around the world see him as.

I think the evidence that big pharma companies are teaming up with one another to work on treatments and vaccines for this is proof that we won't see massive fluctuations in prices.
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His interests being the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation? I can’t think of anyone who has given more money to charitable causes than Bill Gates
 
SmallTown said:
His interests being the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation? I can’t think of anyone who has given more money to charitable causes than Bill Gates
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Done some great work in this area. Just needs to solve the malaria problem and they'll become Saints.
 
I really worry that a lot think we are going to have a vaccine soon when the world has been working for years on similar corona viruses without success.
Its not called 19 for nothing
 
HundredRoom said:
I really worry that a lot think we are going to have a vaccine soon when the world has been working for years on similar corona viruses without success.
Its not called 19 for nothing
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The last serious flu epidemic, the vaccine was about 34% effective. This is not foolproof science.
 
I thought they didn't complete the vaccines for Sat and Mers as they had got it under control. Even though people still die of them today. I'm sure I read that somewhere. Apologies if that's wrong.
 
HundredRoom said:
I really worry that a lot think we are going to have a vaccine soon when the world has been working for years on similar corona viruses without success.
Its not called 19 for nothing
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The International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) announced “severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)” as the name of the newly discovered virus on Feb. 11, 2020. As the WHO observed, “This name was chosen because the virus is genetically related to the coronavirus responsible for the SARS outbreak of 2003. While related, the two viruses are different.”
On the same day, the WHO announced “COVID-19” as the name of the new disease caused by that virus. The first part of that name is a shortening of the phrase “coronavirus disease,” and the latter part reflects that the disease was first reported in the year 2019.
Although the strange new pneumonia of unknown cause first appeared in a cluster in Wuhan, China, nothing about the name of that illness or the virus that causes it reflects a geographical origin. The notion that the name COVID-19 stands for “Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease” and reflects that it is caused by the “19th virus to come out of China” is nothing more than a bad joke.
 
Which ever drug company develops a therapy for Covid-19, it will be ripped off by China within a couple of weeks. (And quite possibly India too).

So while the patent protection may exist in the rest of the world, the Chinese will rip off the IP and then patent it in China, so no one from outside can make any cash.

And if the drug company tries to price gouge, the threat of ignoring the patent on the grounds of humanity will always exist.

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didn't complete the vaccines for Sars and Mers as they had got it under control
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I read the same for SARS. Not for MERS though, I believe that is still passed from camels to humans on an infrequent basis. If I remember correctly for SARS they didn't have enough infected persons to do a proper trial. Just as well, SARS was far more deadly than Covid-19.
 
RandySavage said:
The International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) announced “severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)” as the name of the newly discovered virus on Feb. 11, 2020. As the WHO observed, “This name was chosen because the virus is genetically related to the coronavirus responsible for the SARS outbreak of 2003. While related, the two viruses are different.”
On the same day, the WHO announced “COVID-19” as the name of the new disease caused by that virus. The first part of that name is a shortening of the phrase “coronavirus disease,” and the latter part reflects that the disease was first reported in the year 2019.
Although the strange new pneumonia of unknown cause first appeared in a cluster in Wuhan, China, nothing about the name of that illness or the virus that causes it reflects a geographical origin. The notion that the name COVID-19 stands for “Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease” and reflects that it is caused by the “19th virus to come out of China” is nothing more than a bad joke.
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Yes - sorry I got that completely wrong. But it certainly was not intended as a joke bad or otherwise. I had read there were many corona type diseases and wrongly assumed that the number was assigned to the variation.
 
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