Well ain't Keir Starmer a grand man...

Cuthbert said:
I agree with you. It just seemed like a few positive steps in the right direction. Hopefully with much more to follow.

Starmer should certainly criticise the government, but I still don't see why it's "giving up" - If he'd have said it wasn't enough, or needed to be just the start it would have made more sense to me than giving up.
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That's what I can't work out.

Why use those words 'giving up' in the same conversation about treasury jobs moving to Darlington..
 
The issue I think is we don't know what affect the Freeports will have or how many of these Treasury jobs will be for local people.

The Freeports were to counteract the negatives of Brexit, not restart the recovery post pandemic. So will we even be back to an even keel with these?

750 jobs sounds great but the reason Darlington was chosen is it's on the East Coast Main Line - so will we see hundreds of people commuting from London? Probably. And if it was anything like when RPA went to York the Gov will subsidise this rail travel for up to 3 years. So we are paying more for it. And with home working looking like the normal now will these jobs be people based in London who pop up once or twice a week?

Nobody knows. What we know is that the Torys have neglected the north for decades - a few headlines don't mean all should be forgiven. We need to see action. When the Freeports are open and the area is thriving then that's the time to give Ben Houchen & Simon Clarke etc a reach around. Not before.

I hope that all these jobs and investments come to fruition, I really do. But when you have been lied to for the last 10 years it get's harder to believe them.
 
Randy said:
Get another job how?
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There are plenty of black market and part time jobs available in this country for those who know where to look.

Ive had a guy in my team at work who has had Covid quite badly for the last couple of weeks who has had to take holidays rather then the statutory £90 per week sick pay because he can’t afford the loss of income. He has worked right through the pandemic.

And there are millions sitting at home on this Santa Claus furlough scheme running up a massive tax bill?

It could have been done much more fairly, productively and cost effectively.
 
breakthewallsdown said:
Had a mare here like Chris
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I honestly don't think it's his fault in this case. This propaganda is designed to manipulate people so there's no shame in falling for it.

It's a good lessen to us all to try and correct our conformation bias and think logically about content before we repost it
 
HolgateCorner said:
There are plenty of black market and part time jobs available in this country for those who know where to look.

Ive had a guy in my team at work who has had Covid quite badly for the last couple of weeks who has had to take holidays rather then the statutory £90 per week sick pay because he can’t afford the loss of income. He has worked right through the pandemic.

And there are millions sitting at home on this Santa Claus furlough scheme running up a massive tax bill?

It could have been done much more fairly, productively and cost effectively.
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Go on then explain how?
 
Randy said:
That's what I can't work out.

Why use those words 'giving up' in the same conversation about treasury jobs moving to Darlington..
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Because the main thrust of his quick response speech was that there was nothing in the Budget for how ordinary people, public sector workers, the young are going to be supported through this recovery. In that context the big announcements on free enterprise zones (a Sunak idea from 2015) the Treasury move announcement (which would have happened anyway regardless of a budget) and the 'infrastructure bank' which is replacing a similar scheme the tories scrapped demonstrate a lack of fresh thinking and no big ideas beyond the big book of 20th century policy.

I'm not knocking the free enterprise zones just yet and anything that gives Teesside something to kick start a longer term revival is OK by me. It's just not going to help people who are on their **** immediately.
 
Haha I knew this would ruffle a few red feathers 😂

As I've said on many occasion I don't care for politics but many like to ram Labour down people's throats.
 
gone before the starter pistol again.

2 things always remind me of 'budget day'

1. is going to Wolves away for the 6th round cup replay and the petrol went up on the afternoon and the scenes & queues at the pumps all the way down the A38 was miraculous.

2. on budget day a lot of people who know less than nowt about owt suddenly become political financial experts that really should give them posts in the cabinet after a successful career in the City - unfortunately a scaffold, ladder or a hoist is as lofty as they got.
 
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Cuthbert said:
I agree with you. It just seemed like a few positive steps in the right direction. Hopefully with much more to follow.

Starmer should certainly criticise the government, but I still don't see why it's "giving up" - If he'd have said it wasn't enough, or needed to be just the start it would have made more sense to me than giving up.
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The thread has nothing to do with whether a few scraps is a step in the right direction or not. It's about a disengenuous social media post that was re-produced here to criticise Starmer with. Keep up Cuthbert, or create your own thread if you want to talk about something else.
 
Laughing said:
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The thread has nothing to do with whether a few scraps is a step in the right direction or not. It's about a disengenuous social media post that was re-produced here to criticise Starmer with. Keep up Cuthbert, or create your own thread if you want to talk about something else.
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Who are you, the thread police?

Completely unnecessary response.

I'm actually interested why Starmer said it's "giving up"?
 
The quote in the OP was misleading and shows the level of disinformation spread by MPs' PR teams.

But... note that it hasn't been argued in this thread that Starmer has an iota of a better idea for this area than Treasury relocation and freeports.
 
Trug said:
How will it all be paid for? Well for a start, higher earners will pay an extra £826 per year in Income Tax.
Those on Universal Credit will lose £20 PER WEEK- same old Tories.
By the way- The taxes increased in this budget are the highest since the Tory government of 1993- after 14 previous years of Tory rule.
Since then we have had a Labour government that actually got the country into the black before the banks ran amok.
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I don't really understand how freezing the tax allowances means that a higher earner will pay another £826, or for that matter, anything. If you earn the same in 2021/2 as in the previous year, you'll pay about the same amount of income tax. If you get a pay rise, you may go into the higher income tax bracket at £50K, but you are earning more, so you should pay more. Actually, in April, the personal allowance goes up by £70, and the higher rate band by £270 before freezing for 5 years, so everyone will pay (a little) less tax next fiscal year.

Similarly universal credit - the £20 increase has been extended to September. Why would that cost anyone £20? I don't follow the logic.

And working tax credit claimants get a one off £500, so that's a help I guess.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Haha I knew this would ruffle a few red feathers 😂

As I've said on many occasion I don't care for politics but many like to ram Labour down people's throats.
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So, no you are not going to admit you are sharing political rhetoric, that's cowardly behaviour.

There are many that like to ram Tory bollox down people's throats, and you are one of them, that is without doubt.
 
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