We clearly have money to spend!

Smoggyonthesolent said:
Why not? He is a GREAT chairman. Without him and his investment we'd be a 3rd tier club with 14K through the gates. We're a small town and should hold him in the highest regard. Has he made mistakes yes........ but so do the biggest clubs in the world (just look at Man Utd).
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Continuously listing something he did 30 years ago doesn’t make him a great owner. He has made mistake after mistake for years now, that can’t be ignored.
 
My guess is that Archer is on around £20k/week and we are paying that now. He is not an established English Under 21, Balogun was a slight step up as he was a England Under 21 regular. Hopefully Archer will push on this season. It looks a sensible move by us to get him on loan.

Some of his wages was recovered from cancellation of Llungo's contract.

Preston would not have offered much over £20k a week for a loan player
 
JM14 said:
Continuously listing something he did 30 years ago doesn’t make him a great owner. He has made mistake after mistake for years now, that can’t be ignored.
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This is correct.

I mean both things are probably true though right? Grateful for him funding and backing the club, legendary status for past achievements but a dogs dinner of the last decade or more.
 
Smoggyonthesolent said:
He is STILL funding the club. Without him we wouldn't be in this division.
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Just funding the club doesn’t make someone a great owner, it’s something every football club owner has a commitment to do. If he didn’t want to he can easily walk away
 
Morton94 said:
What delighted me and must have completely shut the naysayers up about Gibbo this week was that we tried (without success) to turn Archers pending loan move into a permanent one.
I don't think this bit of info can be understated. This is a 21 year old, U21 International with 7 goals in 20 games in this league, some fantastic appearences and is so highly rated by his parent club they kept him around with their fan base desperate to get the lad in the team.
He would not have come cheap. He us not coming cheap on loan, Preston said about much.

On top of this it's been made very clear that we have been, and still could be, the side wanting Ross Stewart the most only being put off by the feeling that he wants to stay put. That's a striker that Sunderland will not let go of unless they get a very big amount of cash.

During the summer alot of people complained how Gibbo wasn't investing money in the squad and backing Chris Wilder but on the face of it he really did, despite his lack of trust in him that became evident further down the line.

The questions of Gibbo's investment in our squad continue to absolutely baffle me. There's been seasons of belt tightening before but you must remember this is a man that spent big to achieve goals that for some reason or another didn't happen.

He gave Chris Wilder
Flo Balogun (apparently 40k a week wages)
Aaron Connolly (PL Player)
Riley Mcgree (£3million + beating off Celtic)
Alone in his first window.

Pulis got Aiden Flint (£6million) George Saville (7million) Mo Besic (Tried for £5million permanent)

Monk got £40 million + inherited an excellent squad full of talent. He got our record signing.

Karanka got Stuani, Downing, Nugent, Rhodes and Gaston in the Championship
Nearest, Valdes, De Roon , Fischer, Bamford in the PL.

My point being that Gibbo has continually put his hand in his pocket. Yes we've generated money from sales but you got to in football. You've got to realise if you look through our signings, although a lot have been dross he has still put his hand in his pocket on top of financing our club absolutely amazingly. In a time where many fans worry their club could be gone with one bad move I never worry about us because I know Gibbo would Never EVER let it happen.

Which leads me to this season. We sold Tav and Spence for big money, inevitably some goes into the club, but there was a lot of complaints that Gibbo wouldn't spend.
It's became evident he did trust Wilder but enter Michael Carrick.
Gibbo trusts Scott, Carrick & Woodgate. There is clearly money there for them, the difference is with this team of people they seem to be sensibly plotting what they want, who they want and then being ready to go for it. Its lovely to see Boro striking early.

For me Archer, Barlaser and a wide man + maybe 1 more center mid and we'll have had an excellent January, setting us up to have a real push for the rest of the season. UTFB
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Balogun’s wages were much lower.. under £7k a week (to us.. something like 15% of his wages)
 
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Eee the negativity on here is astounding to the man who puts £1million of his own money in every month to keep our club ticking on!
There are clubs out there genuinely fearing for their existence, some massive clubs have had horrific money issues and ended up as low as league 2.
Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Wolves, Portsmouth have all been In league one or below.
I go to bed every night never worrying about my football club going under because of that man. He makes mistakes yes? We've had some awful managers and some awful players, but we've had some brilliant managers and players you could have only dreamed of gracing our home soil without him!
Woe is me we've been in the Championship for so many years in the top half at least.
We are not entitled to a PL place and never have been.
Go ask Leeds, Sunderland, Ipswich, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth and Blackburn how they enjoyed their experiences in league one with money issues until somebody saved them.
Go ask Bolton.
Gibson is the absolute man. End of
 
We've spent far too much on dross for far too much money. I think they've just done the same as I did. Had a look at the biggest transfers in the championship and how many have been a success. There are not many. I'd argue that the link between quality and transfer fees are completely unrelated. In this division at least. When you reach this conclusion you realise that there is no point in spending big and instead start looking at players with 2 years on their contracts who want to move. The money's there for a good deal.
 
I and others have had plenty to say about some of the decision-making since we were in the PL. That is a separate issue from how much Gibson puts into the club and the money he's made available for transfers. His decisions, including those parochial ones such as appointing Agnew and Woodgate, are part and parcel of why we have run up debt and why he has to keep funding the club.
It's early doors, but it looks like Scott and Carrick could be good appointments and it's probably no coincidence that appointing from outside the limited scope of those with connections to the club has seen us employ talent. Yes, it's nice to have people who know what the club means to the area, but not at the expense of limiting the talent pool.
As we saw under Karanka, you can have lots of outside influence on the clubs footballing side while still forming a bond with the fanbase and the community.
 
dooderooni said:
I and others have had plenty to say about some of the decision-making since we were in the PL. That is a separate issue from how much Gibson puts into the club and the money he's made available for transfers. His decisions, including those parochial ones such as appointing Agnew and Woodgate, are part and parcel of why we have run up debt and why he has to keep funding the club.
It's early doors, but it looks like Scott and Carrick could be good appointments and it's probably no coincidence that appointing from outside the limited scope of those with connections to the club has seen us employ talent. Yes, it's nice to have people who know what the club means to the area, but not at the expense of limiting the talent pool.
As we saw under Karanka, you can have lots of outside influence on the clubs footballing side while still forming a bond with the fanbase and the community.
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Spot on. Gratitude for what he’s put into the club and continues to our in. Criticism for some of the parochial narrow minded decisions he’s made.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
We've spent far too much on dross for far too much money. I think they've just done the same as I did. Had a look at the biggest transfers in the championship and how many have been a success. There are not many. I'd argue that the link between quality and transfer fees are completely unrelated. In this division at least. When you reach this conclusion you realise that there is no point in spending big and instead start looking at players with 2 years on their contracts who want to move. The money's there for a good deal.
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I don't believe you are looking at the right thing though. I presume you are just looking at most expensive transfers by championship clubs when you should also be looking at most expensive transfers from championship clubs. It's not very often that a championship team gets the opportunity to buy the best player in the championship as they are usually promoted with their team or signed by a PL team. Here's a list of the highest paid transfers from championship teams that have been successful:
Ollie Watkins, James Maddison, Jude Bellingham, Said Benrahma, Adam Webster, Jarrod Bowen, Adama Traore, Eberechi Eze, Matty Cash, Decordova-Reid, David Brooks, Ezri Konsa, Chris Wood, Che Adams, Neil Maupay. I'm sure there are more.

There are obviously many more players that would have cost big money to buy from championship clubs that weren't sold and then subsequently got promoted proving their value. I think it is silly to dismiss big money moves for championship players if they are available. There is a lot of quality in the championship.
 
Nano said:
I don't believe you are looking at the right thing though. I presume you are just looking at most expensive transfers by championship clubs when you should also be looking at most expensive transfers from championship clubs. It's not very often that a championship team gets the opportunity to buy the best player in the championship as they are usually promoted with their team or signed by a PL team. Here's a list of the highest paid transfers from championship teams that have been successful:
Ollie Watkins, James Maddison, Jude Bellingham, Said Benrahma, Adam Webster, Jarrod Bowen, Adama Traore, Eberechi Eze, Matty Cash, Decordova-Reid, David Brooks, Ezri Konsa, Chris Wood, Che Adams, Neil Maupay. I'm sure there are more.

There are obviously many more layers that would have cost big money to buy from championship clubs that weren't sold and then subsequently got promoted proving their value. I think it is silly to dismiss big money moves for championship players if they are available. There is a lot of quality in the championship.
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What's the point in looking at that? Those are clubs in the premier League buying players from the championship. In the championship money does not buy you quality. There is a lot of quality in the championship. It gets bought by premier League teams. Then you are left with mediocre players like assombalonga going for a fortune.

I think it's silly to **** away money to get your club in eye watering debt when there are alternatives that are just as good or better than the dross we end up spunking on transfer fees.

What baffles me is people who realise that we've made some truly dreadful deals in the past, criticise the chairman for this, then go on to advocate splashing out on huge transfer fees again.
 
Dynamo Kev said:
yes we do. its all to gibson. he is essentially funding the club himself. will he call in the debt he created. no chance. its the losses he created. he wont debt the club if he ever left. hes the best fan any club could ever wish for.
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You're absolutely spot on, there is no way I'm hell, he'll want it back the next owner will be told 'Just do the right thing for my club' he's a Boro fan. Like I say, I sleep soundly at night knowing that while Gibbo is top guy I NEVER have to worry about my club folding.
There might be belt tightening at times, things might not go right from time to time but I'll always have a club.
He is the greatest chairman in the land.
WHEN we get promotion either this season or next and we will because I've got so much confidence in our management team and higher ups now, we'll do things better this time.
 
For me, Steve Gibson's heart is 100% in the club and that is a big positive.

He has made mistakes and other times taken risks that have not come off. But sometimes those gambles have come off.

He does run the Club as his own possession which can be frustrating for hardcore fans, but he has been in general ambitious to raise the club's status (from the days of Charlie Amer etc). Since the arrival of overseas billionaires and nation state ownership of some English Clubs this has become more difficult for him and the Club to compete with. The cost of talent has been bid up considerable. £20k a week seems to buy you a bit better than average Championship player nowadays. In 1995 it bought you the best in the World.
 
indeedido said:
If he didn't trust Wilder he should have moved him on in the summer or before.
Carrick appears to be a very good appointment.
At last a good decision.
Let's not do the whole great chairman bit again.
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He's undoubtedly a great chairman. Who do you suggest who wold be better?
 
Morton94 said:
You're absolutely spot on, there is no way I'm hell, he'll want it back the next owner will be told 'Just do the right thing for my club' he's a Boro fan. Like I say, I sleep soundly at night knowing that while Gibbo is top guy I NEVER have to worry about my club folding.
There might be belt tightening at times, things might not go right from time to time but I'll always have a club.
He is the greatest chairman in the land.
WHEN we get promotion either this season or next and we will because I've got so much confidence in our management team and higher ups now, we'll do things better this time.
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I’m not so sure about that tbh. If that were true, why would he not write the debt off?
 
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