We’ve lost 4000 ventilators in an hour

1finny

1finny

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Sky news this morning
Tory 1 - we have 12000
Tory 2 - we have 1200 but 8000 in the NHS today.

Lets keep politics out of it though
 
8750, but they're not all being used. We've ordered 8000 from China and have a number of other orders to take us to 61000, including a novel, yet to be tested, Dyson design.

The "12000" number is odd as I tried to understand a Tory minister speaking gobbledeegook to justify it at the end of last week.

Looks like your thread on NHS disciplinary action threats was true @1finny - I couldn't believe it possible.
 
Maybe I am being cynical but I think the Government are playing a game of ‘we don’t know what to do any more than you do’. Like a sort of controlled chaos and panic and appearing to just ‘do what the doctors say’ on a daily basis.

I’ve mentioned to a few Tories I know that I’m not impressed with government planning or the lockdown being late and universally its met with he‘s doing his best in the circumstances, could anybody else do better?

The answer to that is yes, it could have been a lot better. Watching the virus come from China and ensuring the front line had PPE and tests would have been a very basic good start.
 
It is incredible how Government ministers are lining up and spouting lies. This Govt should be nicknamed ‘The Gunners’
we are gunner ramp up testing
we are gunner test more NHS staff daily
we are gunner test 25,000 per day
we are gunner provide more PPE
we are gunner make sure the NHS has all the eqpt it needs
we are gunner buy more ventilators
we are gunner provide facts
we are gunner ensure care homes have all the supplies of PPE

all the above has been said in the last 24 hrs. Well, sorry, but all they are really gunner do is cost more UK lives to be lost than should have been the case.
 
Coluka totally agree mate we’re not even been told the correct figs never mind anything else. I was in A&E on Sunday and what I saw then will live with me forever.
 
I do wonder if anyone still believes the government are handling this crisis well.

It isn't just the poor decisin making going on, of which I can name plenty of instances, its the question dodging like it's just any other day in parliament. In the daily press briefings the representatives should be absoloutely honest and open. People are dying, the absoloute minimum we deserve is the truth.

For me the delay in PPE equipment for the NHS and care staff should be criminally actionable.

I am incandescent about this.
 
isn't there an issue with trained staff to operate ventilators too. as in we may have 4000 say but we don't have enough staff trained to put them all into operation if needed.
 
Things could get worse when 61000 arrive, although the McLaren produced ones don't involve invasive procedure and induced coma.
 
HolgateCorner said:
The answer to that is yes, it could have been a lot better. Watching the virus come from China and ensuring the front line had PPE and tests would have been a very basic good start.
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...... and how was that supposed to happen then when the test equipment, testing technicians that would be required were not and are still not available and there is not enough PPE in the world for what is required. They can not just magic stuff up. No one could have done anything different. This is totally unprecedented, global and the numbers involved are staggering and yet people think governments can make stuff and staff appear from nowhere.

Laughing said:
For me the delay in PPE equipment for the NHS and care staff should be criminally actionable.
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What do you people not understand.............there is not enough PPE equipment on the planet. This is not down to any government it just can not be manufactured and supplied quickly enough. I worked for a manufacturer of PPE for years and I know the supply chains and the company is struggling to get the supply of materials, which come from all over the world - including Italy. They've ramped up their capacity at the manufacturing site but are constrained by their suppliers. This is not a government issue.
 
I think the distribution of items could have been quicker from the stocks we did/do have ( as still in warehouses) but I agree no country on earth has come out of this with out suffering massive casualties inc s korea.

So I do think this blame game on social media and in the press should stop and we can review everything after the event.

No govt on earth has ever faced anything like this in modern times.
 
Some countries manufactured protection for their population, not just health and care workers, before the pandemic arrived so there may not be enough PPE on the planet, but the countries that prepared are fine. Now what happened to that expert report 4 years ago when Hunt was health secretary?
 
zorro_mfc said:
I think the distribution of items could have been quicker from the stocks we did/do have ( as still in warehouses) but I agree no country on earth has come out of this with out suffering massive casualties inc s korea.

So I do think this blame game on social media and in the press should stop and we can review everything after the event.

No govt on earth has ever faced anything like this in modern times.
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The NHS themselves have (or had) huge stock piles put in place following previous pandemics (SARS etc) however "huge" is a relative term and clearly nowhere near enough for this totally unprecedented (in numbers and effect) pandemic.
 
I’m afraid I don’t buy this world shortage excuse.

We have put an emergency hospital together in London in one week.

Except we haven’t, that’s clearly been part of an emergency plan which has been thought about and prepared for years. And it has come off, testament to those involved, the planning has worked.

That‘s good Government.

Not ensuring we have stockpiles of basic PPE to use in that hospital is poor Government.

Why not face up to it? We need to learn from these things, even the Tories can learn from time to time.
 
zorro_mfc said:
But they are not though as no country is “fine” some are coping better than others but no country is fine people are still die ing.
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The countries that prepared are fine. They have sufficient PPE. For a country a third of the size of the UK but far more densely populated, they are managing the epidemic extremely well.
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Konrad_the_Barbarian said:
...... and how was that supposed to happen then when the test equipment, testing technicians that would be required were not and are still not available and there is not enough PPE in the world for what is required. They can not just magic stuff up. No one could have done anything different. This is totally unprecedented, global and the numbers involved are staggering and yet people think governments can make stuff and staff appear from nowhere.



What do you people not understand.............there is not enough PPE equipment on the planet. This is not down to any government it just can not be manufactured and supplied quickly enough. I worked for a manufacturer of PPE for years and I know the supply chains and the company is struggling to get the supply of materials, which come from all over the world - including Italy. They've ramped up their capacity at the manufacturing site but are constrained by their suppliers. This is not a government issue.
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But I thought it was just logistics? They were in a big warehouse somewhere remember? Or was that another porky?
 
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