We’ve had the carrot now comes the stick - govt makes Not self isolating illegal

My son returned from Crete a week last Thursday. There was a brief announcement on the planet that Crete was now on the list of places requiring quarantine on return. No forms to fill in, no checks at Heathrow, nothing.

Straight onto public transport home.

On arrival in Crete they were temperature checked, random groups selected for tests requiring quarantine for 24 hrs until results known.

Needless to say, no check on him since return
 
Laughing said:
Yet BB, folks want to point the finger at each other, really disappointing.
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It is not all about pointing the finger and you know that, we have people openly flouting the law and spreading Covid because they refuse to go into quarantine when asked to do so.

I agree the track and trace is shambolic at best, testing is laughable and the health service have seen cut after cut and are expected to cope with what ever gets thrown at them.

Anyone ignoring social distancing or the quarantine rules are putting everyone else at risk, especially when the three most important factors that you mentioned are not going to get any better and infectious cases are on the rise.
 
Norman, I see posts like 50% of people are ignoring social distancing.... The government have been terrible but people need to take responsibility, etc. This is what the government want.

Firstly 50% are not ignoring the guidelines, some are, it's a minority and they are NOT the problem. Secondly, the blame lies solely and squarely at the feet of an incompetent, uncaring government, not those people who won't social distance or wear masks.

You and others are giving the government what they want, a scapegoat. We are where we are because of poor governmental decisions, the failure to get on top of track and trace, the failure of a working app. Because of these factors the government have no idea where and when local lockdown measures are required, they have lost control completely. We are not on the edge of another lockdown because some people flout rules, rules which were poorly communicated, not enforced and largely ignored by the cabinet and those employed by the cabinet. We are on the edge of another lockdown because of poor leadership, that and that alone.
 
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Norman, I see posts like 50% of people are ignoring social distancing.... The government have been terrible but people need to take responsibility, etc. This is what the government want.

Firstly 50% are not ignoring the guidelines, some are, it's a minority and they are NOT the problem. Secondly, the blame lies solely and squarely at the feet of an incompetent, uncaring government, not those people who won't social distance or wear masks.

You and others are giving the government what they want, a scapegoat. We are where we are because of poor governmental decisions, the failure to get on top of track and trace, the failure of a working app. Because of these factors the government have no idea where and when local lockdown measures are required, they have lost control completely. We are not on the edge of another lockdown because some people flout rules, rules which were poorly communicated, not enforced and largely ignored by the cabinet and those employed by the cabinet. We are on the edge of another lockdown because of poor leadership, that and that alone.
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I can't argue with any of that last paragraph regarding poor leadership and people flouting rules after watching their so called leaders do the same. What I am trying to say is if WE personally don't follow common sense (social distancing) then we are putting ourselves at risk. Our leaders are not helping us, we need to help ourselves and social distancing is one of the ways we can do it - we do need to take responsibility because Boris and co certainly aren't and I think you would agree with me on that.
 
Of course Norman, I don't disagree with the idea we take responsibility, to a degree, for our own safety. I don't even disagree some folks don't help the situation, see the rallies yesterday in Trafalgar Square. What I disagree with, and what disappoints me is people are starting to look to each other for someone to blame.

Let me put it another way. We would be exactly where we are today even if everyone had followed the guidelines.

Every week for months Johnson has deflected from his own inadequacies in PMQ by suggesting that Starmer should applaud the great effort and common sense of the British people, whilst all along intending to introducing legislation and penalties that a) cannot be enforced, we don't have the police force to do it and b) point the finger of blame at a handful of individuals who in all likelihood made not one jot of difference to where we are today.

For previous see what they did with "follow the science"
 
I'm seeing social distancing as becoming more the norm than us moving away from it. It's not always possible to do. Mask wearing is becoming more acceptable and cleansing is taking place as often as ever.

Shopping yesterday and Friday just about everybody was wearing masks and I found nobody crowding us.

As people see cases rise with Covid19 sufferers having few and non life threatening symptoms it will be interesting to see the response.
 
Shopping yesterday. M&S food hall everyone masked up but very crowded. They should be made to limit numbers in the shop.
 
With regards to the fine.
If I don't socially distance within the rules I may be fined £1,000 up to £10,000.
If I don't pay my fine, or cant pay my fine, then what happens.
Am I taken into custody as it is a criminal offence, or am I sent home with a slap on the wrist.
How does this change behaviour?
Personally I could see them being put into the empty cruise ships moored around the coast with the cabins locked for most of the day.
 
FatCat said:
I saw a group of 12 teenagers yesterday just hanging around.
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But this is just a result of the inept governance.

Those 12 teenagers will have spent the last two weeks in a classroom with 20 others. In a school with 300 others.

How are we (as a society) supposed to function when the guidance contradicts the reality of everyday life - as mandated by the government that creates the guidance.

Go to school. Go to work. Socialise. Spend. Don't mix with more than six people.

As others have already said, it's a deliberate farce to ensure that the blame can be levied wherever the government wants.

But it could be worse - we could have had a government led by someone that cares about people over profit.
 
I'm no fan of the government, never have been, but anyone who endangers others by not quarantining when told to do so needs to face repercussions.
Yes, the rules are there as a result of the government and its inability to deliver an effective test, track and trace system, but blatant flouting of the rules like that Bolton resident are endangering the public health and need to be stopped.
I'm fully behind a public enquiry for the government's handling of the pandemic response, but the priority right now is to ensure the public health.
 
Each individual has a responsibility to him or herself and to wider society to do what they can to be responsible for their actions and help prevent the spread. The Government has responsibility to set the tone and rules And example for this. Unfortunately we have a lazy, ill prepared and lackadaisical government who are simultaneously only interested in ensuring that their chums makes chunks of cash while playing smoke and mirrors with everyone else. There was never a coherent plan. There was never rigorous and effective development of any kind of tools (PPE, t&t etc) to help combat. There has never been a clear and consistent message and the one clear message they did put out they immediately holed below the water line when Cummings went walk about and got away with it. Slipshod doesn’t cover it. Look at BJ in parliament; slovenly, unkempt, lazy, ill prepared and disinterested, Shout some sound bites and deflect And avoid. Self entitled and childish. No forwad plan, no thought. Arrogance. He is the PM! He’s an embarrassment. His government (Sunak aside imo) is an embarrassment. It’s no wonder the place is falling down around our ears. I despair of it and whilst I opened by saying everyone has a responsibility it is easy to understand (not saying it’s right) why some go their own way and think f-that why should I?, when they look at the sheer incompetence and self interest that is “leading” us. The whole thing needs a massive reset.

Anyway, I normally avoid politics threads so: I’m bored of this, I’m going for a twix.
 
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ThePrisoner said:
Shopping yesterday. M&S food hall everyone masked up but very crowded. They should be made to limit numbers in the shop.
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I went to Home Bargains in Stockton. There was a staff member on the door making sure it was one in one out. However the cue outside was huge, so another staff member came and said let everyone in. It was shocking how full the shop was, as busy as Christmas in there with hardly anyone social distancing. The government are rightly criticised but shops and the public need to take responsibility too.
 
Scrote said:
But this is just a result of the inept governance.

Those 12 teenagers will have spent the last two weeks in a classroom with 20 others. In a school with 300 others.

How are we (as a society) supposed to function when the guidance contradicts the reality of everyday life - as mandated by the government that creates the guidance.

Go to school. Go to work. Socialise. Spend. Don't mix with more than six people.

As others have already said, it's a deliberate farce to ensure that the blame can be levied wherever the government wants.

But it could be worse - we could have had a government led by someone that cares about people over profit.
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At school they are in bubbles with their classmates for all lessons, the 12 kids were probably different schools etc. It’s too simple to blame the gvt everybody has to play their part and stop claiming confusion at every turn and start using some common sense.
 
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