Warnock - is there a risk....

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Smoggyonthesolent

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Before I get nailed by the lovies, I am a huge fan of Warnock, Love his enthusiasm, his directness with people and his want to win with Boro.

I am slightly worried though that next season he will recruit players is his own style and regardless of the end result (promotion or upper mid table) he will retire leaving us with a squad of players any new manager simply won't want.

I don't blame him directly but I don't see many players hes brought in actually having an impact - this maybe effected by finances and availability but how many will be here in 3 years? Is Mr Gibson making another mistake in not thinking longer term with a manager who has a 2-3 year plan?
 
My concern would be some of his potential targets- especially strikers. I really don’t know what we can expect - apart from numerically being a lot!
 
Any strikers he gets are better than we have, they literally couldnt be worse given 2 are probably leaving at the end of the season. The squads he has built in the past have been good and done well after he has left. I'll worry about it after he has gone quite frankly
 
Smoggyonthesolent said:
Before I get nailed by the lovies, I am a huge fan of Warnock, Love his enthusiasm, his directness with people and his want to win with Boro.

I am slightly worried though that next season he will recruit players is his own style and regardless of the end result (promotion or upper mid table) he will retire leaving us with a squad of players any new manager simply won't want.

I don't blame him directly but I don't see many players hes brought in actually having an impact - this maybe effected by finances and availability but how many will be here in 3 years? Is Mr Gibson making another mistake in not thinking longer term with a manager who has a 2-3 year plan?
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I've been thinking the same for a while. All or Nothing I suppose next season!
 
I would hope the club would have learned from the past 10 or so years where we've changed from experimental to pragmatic managers and back again, therefore having players unsuited to a new regime, sometimes on big contracts that hamper the club for years, then a new manager comes in with a different style and the cycle starts again.

Southgate-Strachan-Mowbray-Karanka-Monk-Pulis-Woodgate-Warnock... definite pattern there and surely we now have to follow Warnock with someone who isn’t going to radically change style, even if a longer term aim might be a different “brand” of football - to use a cliche, evolution not revolution.
 
Smoggyonthesolent said:
Before I get nailed by the lovies, I am a huge fan of Warnock, Love his enthusiasm, his directness with people and his want to win with Boro.

I am slightly worried though that next season he will recruit players is his own style and regardless of the end result (promotion or upper mid table) he will retire leaving us with a squad of players any new manager simply won't want.

I don't blame him directly but I don't see many players hes brought in actually having an impact - this maybe effected by finances and availability but how many will be here in 3 years? Is Mr Gibson making another mistake in not thinking longer term with a manager who has a 2-3 year plan?
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Yep that’s why I’d love is to bite the bullet this summer and bring in a top up and coming coach currently in a job and build a plan of long foundations. but sadly we know that won’t happen.
 
Just get a manager that plays a similar style, it's not a difficult problem.

Barnsley's manager is doing well with a similarly direct style.
 
to be honest, i am still not convinced he is the man for the job was worried when he took over with the style of play etc, but was beginning to eat my words before Christmas and was surprised after watching the Blackburn away game thought we played some nice football and should of battered them. However, it does not sound so good at the moment and if we start the season with poor results and the style of football. I can see the crowd getting restless so i am actually worried he could be gone before Christmas and we would be back to square one, but to be fair I have no idea who would be better at the moment!
 
Completely agree, have a feeling if he brings his own players in only to retire next season, then the next manager who will likely want to implement a different style will want their own players and we will be back in a rebuilding phase and essentially back to the same position we have been in multiple times over the last few years.
I still think Warnock is the right man for the job, dont think we can attract many better managers who would get more out of this squad, but the thought of giving him a full summer to bring his own players in really does worry me, especially with how some of his other signings have turned out to be.
 
Being honest about it, we would expect to be somewhere in the bottom tier, near the desperados. Would the players that we would look to bring in over the summer be THAT different? Would the way we set up and play the game be that different from the others in that bottom end?

You could quite easily fit Warnock (72) between Hodgson (73) and Allardyce (66) and most fans would agree that being in that mix would be a success for a club of our size. Sure we could look to the recruitment of Leicester, West Ham, Leeds and Villa.. but we're not there yet. It will be the likes of Palace, Newcastle & Fulham that we will see to emulate we need to get over the first hurdle of promotion without talking of 3 year plans for the future. Or even with with a massive reality check realise that WE ARE IN OUR THREE YEAR PLAN. First year, cut off the dead wood, introduce some fresh blood, avoid relegation, Second year, consolidate, stabilise and improve.. moving into next year: fill in the gaps continue improvement and aim for a top six finish. It takes time and it always has done, but lets not get caught up in an illusion that this season was about a smash and grab to victory. We're a work in progress.. and we're not doing bad at all.

Top Draw:
Leicester, West Ham
Rodgers, Moyes

Mid Table:
Leeds, Villa, Wolves
Bielsa, Smith & Nuno

Bottom Tier
Palace, Southampton, Brighton, Burnley, Newcastle
Hodgson, Hasenhüttl, Potter, Dyche, Bruce

Desperados
Fulham, West Brom, Sheffield
Parker, Allardyce, Heckingbottom
 
100% an issue for me. Although can be fairly easily mitigated if we get the next managerial appointment. What we don't need is another Monk-Pulis style about turn (unless we're willing to part with a whole lot more cash).

As for the Barnsley comparisons there's not a chance in hell our current team could play their style. Yes they looked poor on Saturday but their whole game is based around lightening pressing and incredible stamina. We're one of the slowest teams in the league and would get played off the pitch playing that way (as we did under Woodgate).
 
My point is if a managerial candidate came up I wouldn’t put off going for him to give warnock another year

does anyone think we may see a transition to Blackwell jepson anyway.
 
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Can’t agree with this 3 year plan theory. We still have a lot of deadwood to move on. With the exception of Kebano the other loans have been generally underwhelming. You could argue we have and are going backwards since the start of the New Year.

we will need 8, 9 , 10 players coming in. Such wholesale changes and it is hard to imagine this was part of a 3 year strategy
 
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My point is if a managerial candidate came up I wouldn’t put off going for him to give warning another year

does anyone think we may see a transition to Blackwell jepson anyway.
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I can see it but I would pray it didn't happen...... Blackwell has never really made the step up to management work for him.
 
Nosmo-King said:
Can’t agree with this 3 year plan theory. We still have a lot of deadwood to move on. With the exception of Kebano the other loans have been generally underwhelming. You could argue we have and are going backwards since the start of the New Year.

we will need 8, 9 , 10 players coming in. Such wholesale changes and it is hard to imagine this was part of a 3 year strategy
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I meant 2-3 year plan from here on in... Hence my concern.
 
If he can bring in his first choices it will be fine. I can remember people turning their noses up at Kieffer Moore last summer and he's got 16 goals this season.

I also don't for one minute believe that Akpom was his first choice.

Hopefully we will keep Mendez-Laing. With a full pre-season he could be a real asset for us.

I think questions need to be asked about Ian Bennett's role as goalkeeper coach. Bettinelli looked decent at the start of the season, now he looks every bit the Sunday league player.
 
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