Viktor Gyökeres

Its exactly because they are one of the privileged few that I have no sympathy whatsoever if they have to survive on a few £Million(s)
Get another job.
Join the real world.
I don't think he is bothered he doesn't have your sympathy; he still isn't going to take a pay cut for a laugh.
 
Its abhorrent to give credence to the idea that a footballers life is short, implying they deserve ridiculous salaries to "provide" for their future.
The lads at British Steel Redcar found that their career was short too, as do millions of ordinary families and low paid workers in our country.
But no one is bleating for them.
The likes of Gayle may have to adapt their "lifestyle", but thats of no consequence - when normal families are attending foodbanks and people are being chucked on the dole.
No sympathy whatsoever with this "short career" nonsense.

[btw "ThatFragranceGuy" - my response is about the idea that footballers deserve huge salaries because their careers are short.
Nothing personal to you(y)]

It's nothing to do with deserving anything. It's to do with the choices he has. He can earn his contract without playing or he can earn less playing somewhere else. If he decides the money is more important than playing then it is understandable. It is a job at the end of the day.

If he's agreed to go to Stoke it will because they've worked out a deal between them and Newcastle to make sure he gets paid what he would've done staying put.
 
It's nothing to do with deserving anything. It's to do with the choices he has. He can earn his contract without playing or he can earn less playing somewhere else. If he decides the money is more important than playing then it is understandable. It is a job at the end of the day.

If he's agreed to go to Stoke it will because they've worked out a deal between them and Newcastle to make sure he gets paid what he would've done staying put.
Length of contract will be important too given his age. Will be interesting to see how long Stoke are offering. That’s possibly where they have taken the risk
 
His numbers were worse for us, but strangely enough, under Monk he scored 11 in 23 games, but only 4 after that under Pulis.
The biggest issue is that his scoring record against top 6 teams was very poor. In 48 games against top 6 sides (including the 2 play offs vs Villa), he failed to score in 46 of those games.

He has enough physicality to score against poor champ defenders. But the better ones don't fall over when nudged and concentrate, he doesn't have any technique to create space for himself against those good defenders.

Even without his injury he would never have been a prem quality player
 
It's nothing to do with deserving anything. It's to do with the choices he has. He can earn his contract without playing or he can earn less playing somewhere else. If he decides the money is more important than playing then it is understandable. It is a job at the end of the day.

If he's agreed to go to Stoke it will because they've worked out a deal between them and Newcastle to make sure he gets paid what he would've done staying put.
If you read the post I clearly identify it as my opinion on the view that footballers careers are short and they deserve millions just to compensate.
Its not that difficult to understand - and its not specific to one player.
Please read whats written first(y)
 
The biggest issue is that his scoring record against top 6 teams was very poor. In 48 games against top 6 sides (including the 2 play offs vs Villa), he failed to score in 46 of those games.

He has enough physicality to score against poor champ defenders. But the better ones don't fall over when nudged and concentrate, he doesn't have any technique to create space for himself against those good defenders.

Even without his injury he would never have been a prem quality player

I get that, but for most strikers their scoring record is, we get less of the ball, create less chances, the defenders and keeper are better etc.

I don't think slightly lesser level defenders are much weaker, I think it's more that we got easily nullified against the better teams and they could afford to mark him better as we were not committing other players as much.

It doesn't matter how strong the defender is if the striker can find space and there's balls still going into the box (the right balls) etc.

We know we've lacked creativity for years, and when we have had it, it's only been from one side or one player, and we've always geared to use that one player (like with Traore/ Jones etc). If those get nullified our strikers don't score, no striker would unless they can pick the ball up deep, beat three men and leather it into the net, which championship strikers don't really do.

It's still not easy scoring against poorer teams, playing for a defensive/ less creative side.

I never said he was a prem level player, but he didn't need to be as that's not his job.
 
The squad is looking very weak at the moment, I suspect we're on for a mid table finish unless we can get some strikers over the line fairly quickly. What's certain now is that we will struggle in the first few games
 
Yeh I can see it now, first couple of games the newspaper will read how Boro and wilder desperately need forwards in. Watmore and coburn will start with a couple of other young lads on the bench.

Quit disappointed really when at the start of the window I was expecting some decent forwards to in by now. Hope I’m wrong but I can’t see anyone coming in before the start
 
Yeh I can see it now, first couple of games the newspaper will read how Boro and wilder desperately need forwards in. Watmore and coburn will start with a couple of other young lads on the bench.

Quit disappointed really when at the start of the window I was expecting some decent forwards to in by now. Hope I’m wrong but I can’t see anyone coming in before the start
Yeah thats it, it doesn't help that we got our of the blocks like a train! I really thought after the start to the window we'd turned the corner, getting out of this division is incredibly tough, you need a decent start. Plus (and I know many don't agree) I think wilder is a bit of a sulker/ walker if things don't go how he wants, very talented but I can't see him sticking around unless he fills the positions he's asked for, I know this hasn't been the case for his entire career but I do believe its different now.
 
The squad is looking very weak at the moment, I suspect we're on for a mid table finish unless we can get some strikers over the line fairly quickly. What's certain now is that we will struggle in the first few games
tbf before Christmas when we had our best spell of the season the only additional striker we had was Sporar, and since then we have improved the defence and have Giles on the left so maybe not so bad short term for a couple of games until we get a couple in, but there is no denying we do need at least a couple of strikers long term
 
The squad is looking very weak at the moment, I suspect we're on for a mid table finish unless we can get some strikers over the line fairly quickly. What's certain now is that we will struggle in the first few games
Struggle - I'd argue struggle to score would be more apt.

Defensively we will be sound, no issues.

GK is sorted 🤞🤞

MF will perform well

Forwards........🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

Wouldn't be surprised to see McGree in a more No. 10 role with one up top. Going to be more of a 3-5-1-1 formation with 1-0 wins (hopefully) until 2-3 proper forwards are brought in late in the window.

What we don't need is daft sendings off or injuries 😬😬
 
Yeah thats it, it doesn't help that we got our of the blocks like a train! I really thought after the start to the window we'd turned the corner, getting out of this division is incredibly tough, you need a decent start. Plus (and I know many don't agree) I think wilder is a bit of a sulker/ walker if things don't go how he wants, very talented but I can't see him sticking around unless he fills the positions he's asked for, I know this hasn't been the case for his entire career but I do believe its different now.
Forest had the worst possible start last season.

We're not the only ones struggling to do business early on, it's sadly the way things go with transfer deadlines now.
 
Could it not just be that instead of panic buying another carthorse to make the numbers up we are actually trying to but proven quality players and their existing clubs are either digging their heels in and there are further negotiations to be had, liekly to take us up to transfer deadline or are waiting to get replacement players in before allowing our target to leave. Surely we are better off with a couple of quality strikers for 40 games of the season than a couple of duffers for 46.

Or am I being too optimistic?
 
I get that, but for most strikers their scoring record is, we get less of the ball, create less chances, the defenders and keeper are better etc.

I don't think slightly lesser level defenders are much weaker, I think it's more that we got easily nullified against the better teams and they could afford to mark him better as we were not committing other players as much.
I did comparisons last year between Britt and a couple of other champo CFs, I remember Grabban was one. Anyway Britts stats were heavily weighted at the bottom 6-8 teams, much moreso than the other strikers. Even bog standard ones like Waghorn who score much more frequently against top half sides.

I put it down to how he scores most of his goals. Most of his goals are when he can get himself free within 8 yards of goal, again moreso than his contemporaries. He can find space without the ball, but can't create space with the ball at his feet. Now his finishing is pretty good from within 8 yards. But it takes a defender who doesn't have the concentration and awareness to allow you that space. Players like Ream and Egan don't switch off as often as Mark Beevers or Marc Roberts.

It's not even about creativity, many of the other strikers were in sides that didn't create enough, and his stats for finishing beyond 8 yards are very poor. I don't think he has the power or accuracy in his strikes, or disguise either. It's always telegraphed where he's going to put it, too long/slow a backlift, which makes it, advantage keeper. there are a lot of technical issues to his game.

I make it 28 of his goals were against bottom 8 relegation sides, 3 against play offs and above, and 14 against midtable sides. He's great in a team that wants to avoid relegation, he's below average against midtable sides, and useless if you want a shot at promotion.
 
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