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Warwickboro
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No its a fair point, I certainly don't want to spend millions on duffers. I just think we're very short in the most vital position and could do with at least 1 other option prior to the season starting.
ThatFragranceGuy
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It's not that difficult to understand that what you've put there isn't what I said, you're totally misrepresenting the conversation here.If you read the post I clearly identify it as my opinion on the view that footballers careers are short and they deserve millions just to compensate.
Its not that difficult to understand - and its not specific to one player.
Please read whats written first
I never once said he deserves £4m to sit and not play, I said he isn't going to miss out on several million in wages to come play for a lower league club out of "profession pride" given how little earning potential he has left in his career given his age and how little footballers earn post retirement. He probably values money in his and his families bank over the opinions of footy forum fans on his love of the game.
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BoroMart
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agreed, the issue has been compounded from the Britt era. We spent a fortune on a dud, an overrated kid and a stroppy danish lad.Defensively we will be sound, no issues.
GK is sorted
MF will perform well
Forwards........
We couldn't get rid of 2 of them, which hamstrung us with FFP
Now we've got rid, but we need 3 strikers all at once and the cost for 3 good strikers will be high. We're going to need some luck in this window. But we also need to consider the future so we don't end up like this again. I'd like us to buy a young striker with big potential in 2-3 years, future proof ourselves. I like the kid at Ipswich for that role, and apparently avail for about 500k due to his contract running down.
Chutney
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You're refusing to be willfully pessimistic, that's the problem.
Honestly, some people...
Fully agree. Below is the list of players we have that you'd expect to actually get on the pitch. Nobody else in the squad is near. It is incredibly light. If you go by 2 players for each position we are 7 players short, probably 8 because we'd like 5 strikers.
RWB - Jones
CB - Dijksteel, McNair, Fry, Lenihan
LWB - Giles, Bola
CM - Tav, Crooks, Howson, McGree
CF - Watmore, Coburn
Because we have more than 12 outfield players.
With Smith (who we've probably signed), there's 14 squad - Fry, McNair, Dijksteel, Lenihan, Giles, Bola, Jones, Smith, Howson, Tavernier, McGree, Crooks, Watmore, Coburn
Boyd-Munce will be included in the squad, he's been around the team since he came in, and rightly so - there's 15.
We have incorporated youth players in the squads before, how else are Fry, Tav, Jones, Coburn in the above list... I think Bilongo and Hackney are both comfortable additions - there's 17 players.
CBs - Dijksteel/McNair/Lenihan - Fry/Lenihan - McNair/Bilongo - Sorted (a left footed LCB would help, but I don't think it's something we're desperate for).
RWB - Jones/Smith - Cover can come from Dijksteel or Howson - Sorted
LWB - Giles/Bola - Cover can come from Tav or Bilongo - Sorted
CDM - Howson/Hackney - Cover can come from McNair or Crooks - Sorted (maybe slightly weak here, but again... we don't "need" anyone else here).
CM - Crooks, Tavernier, McGree, Boyd-Munce - Sorted
We NEED two strikers. Three would be perfect, but realistically, two is "enough".
If we always had this mentality, Fry, Tav, Coburn and Jones would never have got a look in when they were youth players.
Boyd-Munce 100% needs adding to that list, and in my opinion so do Bilongo and Hackney.
fassy
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Why is it negative to point out facts? The manager will be looking at this and drawing the same conclusion. Every sound bite out of him is about this. Woefully short and all I keep hearing from the club is how they’re aiming for promotion!
fassy
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Bilongo, Hackney? Plus naming a player that doesn’t play for us (albeit he’s on trial).
13 outfield (first team) players. Hey if you’re ok with that then fine, it’s just many aren’t ok with it. The manager being one.
Before the start of last season, Coburn had only played 49 minutes of professional football.
Jones had only played 11 games in the Scottish second division (mostly as a sub and only scoring 1 goal).
Should they have not been included in last seasons squad? What's the difference?
You can say "they're better players" - but without the luxury of hindsight, we'd have had no idea if they were better players if we didn't include them.
Boyd-Munce will 100% be in and around the team this season, and Bilongo's had a really good pre-season.
VestasBoro
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CW has said he doesn't expect the young lads to feature much, on the bench 1 or 2 if they have to, but they won't feature so that leaves us light
Keepers - Steffen, Roberts, Daniels
Right backs - Jones, Smith
Centre backs - Dijksteel, McNair, Fry, Lenihan
Left backs- Giles, Bola, Coulson
Centre mid - Tavernier, Crooks, McGree, Howson
Strikers - Watmore, Coburn
I can see Kavanagh, Bilongo and Boyd-Munce been the 3 that fill the gaps on the bench, but i doubt any will start many games whatsoever, or even come off the bench unless absolutely necessary.
Keepers - Steffen, Roberts, Daniels
Right backs - Jones, Smith
Centre backs - Dijksteel, McNair, Fry, Lenihan
Left backs- Giles, Bola, Coulson
Centre mid - Tavernier, Crooks, McGree, Howson
Strikers - Watmore, Coburn
I can see Kavanagh, Bilongo and Boyd-Munce been the 3 that fill the gaps on the bench, but i doubt any will start many games whatsoever, or even come off the bench unless absolutely necessary.
I don't think Boyd-Munce falls into the category of CW's young lads. He's a CW signing, older than Ryan Giles, and only 1 year younger than Tav and McGree in the same position.
CarrickBall
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Coulson has been told to find another club, and that he won't be involved in the first team picture this season.
There's no point in trying to butter up the situation and questioning those that are showing concern, labeling them 'bedwetters'. Boro are light, very light, and the season starts in 9 days.
Including Boyd-Munce, Bilongo, Hackney and Finch in our first team plans as players that will be involved shows how light we are. Those players should be nowhere near the first team picture of a team looking to get promoted out of the Championship (which Wilder has said was the only thing he came here to do).
We didn't score enough goals last season, nowhere near enough. We had 5 strikers. We now have 2, and none of those 2 are new.
The first team squad is much weaker right now than it was when the final whistle blew at Preston.
Finch definitely won't be included, I think he's only 17 and Kavanagh will be ahead of him.
However, not including Boyd-Munce and maybe Bilongo... without hindsight, would be the same as not including Coburn and Jones in our squad last season.
CarrickBall
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I'm putting Coburn in that bracket too. He's there at the moment through necessity because we have nobody else, not because he's going to fire us to promotion.
We need better strikers than Josh Coburn in that first team if we're serious about challenging to get out of this league, and we need them right now.
exeterboro
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It's makes it harder to get rid of him if he hasn't had a pre season so he should be included anyway.
I agree we're light up front, I can't argue that... However, Wilder wants 5 strikers and Coburn will 100% be one of those 5 strikers.
He wasn't included because he isn't the type of striker we want. He's a big hold the ball up type striker (or he's supposed to be anyway). We're looking for a faster striker who's good with his feet.
We don't have pre-season to put players in shop windows, we do it to get the team fit and playing the same game.