Victor Orta vs Kieron Scott

newyddion

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Victor Orta spending £20m on our return to the premier league.. Espinosa was naught injured and Fisher came with a dreadful record. De Roon had class, Negredo stepped up to the plate and Chambers added some much needed quality to the back four.

Barragan was dump, Ramirez has issues, Valdes was a doyle.. Karanka was a stroppy sausage. Traore went for £18m and we made money on Espinosa..

————————Valdes———————
Barragan—Chambers—Espinosa—Fabio
————- Forshaw—De Roon————-
———-Traore—Ramirez—Fisher———-
———————-Negredo——————-

I’m hearing fans saying we would get battered like we did last time if we went up or that we don’t have the money to compete. Keiron Scott is a big fan of the free transfers, and keeps an eye on the German leagues.. just looking at players out of contract with Bundesliga experience we could at least come up with a plan to bring the numbers in.

GK Timo Horn 29yo - FC Koln

RB Julian Ryerson 25yo - Union Berlin
CD Timo Hübers 27yo - FC Koln
CD Evan Ndicka 23yo - Eintracht Frankfurt
LB Ramy Bensebaini 27yo - Borussia Mönchengladbach

RW Reiss Nelson 23yo - Arsenal
AM Daichi Kamada 26yo - Eintracht Frankfurt
MF Konrad Laimer 25yo - RB Leipzig
LW Josip Brekalo 24yo - VfL Wolfsburg

ST Marcus Thuram 25yo - Borussia Mönchengladbach
ST Youssoufa Moukoko 18yo - Borussia Dortmund

being a little more creative with the two loans allowed dropping a little investment into a handful of players I think we could do much better than we did last time around. I’d rather see us with four Martin De Roons rather than making money on the likes of Traore & Espinosa. Pointless.

This idea that Brighton are the template we should base our club on is a nonsense. We should do what we do best, develop young talent, give game time to underrated big club fringe players and provide a stable home for troubled BIG talents.
 
If memory serves, that summer business left a lot of people expecting us to be capable of staying up. What everyone will agree on is that the January business of that season was essentially writing the textbook of how not to salvage a season.

Today makes many of us dwell on the distance between us and Brighton after we stole a march on them for promotion, but that's life, isn't it? Many bigger teams would have looked at us at one point, resident in the PL, just wondering what could have been for them.
 
If memory serves, that summer business left a lot of people expecting us to be capable of staying up. What everyone will agree on is that the January business of that season was essentially writing the textbook of how not to salvage a season.

Today makes many of us dwell on the distance between us and Brighton after we stole a march on them for promotion, but that's life, isn't it? Many bigger teams would have looked at us at one point, resident in the PL, just wondering what could have been for them.
We had a stilly manager who had done well to stay in the job the season before, but we were out of ideas.. our recruitment had identified only David Wagner as a potential Aitor Karanka replacement, January moves for Jese, Bojan & Delufeu indicated trouble but the transfers of Bamford, Gestede & Guedioura hammered the nails into the coffin.

In the January I would have risked it bringing in Mario Ballotelli, Hatem Ben Afra & Ravel Morrison.. changing Aitor Karanka out for Alan Pardew

———————-Valdes——————-
Traore—Chambers—Gibson—Friend
Stuani—Morrison—De Roon—Ben Afra
————-Negredo—Ballotelli—————
 
If memory serves, that summer business left a lot of people expecting us to be capable of staying up. What everyone will agree on is that the January business of that season was essentially writing the textbook of how not to salvage a season.

Today makes many of us dwell on the distance between us and Brighton after we stole a march on them for promotion, but that's life, isn't it? Many bigger teams would have looked at us at one point, resident in the PL, just wondering what could have been for them.
Yeah, on paper that summer window looked really good, we certainly had a go.

Strengthened the spine with theoretical upgrades in every position: Victor bloody Valdes for Hartlepool’s Dimi, Espinosa, Marten de Roon for Clayton, Alvaro Negredo who was top end Prem class once for Kike. Also Forshaw, who weirdly couldn’t get a game in the Champo, came into his own in the PL and is still there. De Roon has proved since he is an excellent player too, he’s rarely been out of the Champions League since he left us. You can’t argue with the pedigree of those signings, we had a right go and they had a lot more quality than the players they replaced.

Where it went wrong was that the Spanish speaking players were largely awful (Barragan and Espinosa so poor, Valdes phoned it in, Gaston was a disgrace) and killed the team chemistry. Still a bit overrun in midfield and it’s harder to play our defend out 1-0 wins game in a league where it’s so hard to keep clean sheets and your right back is an absolute clown who can’t even take a throw in. Negredo did his best but was so isolated. Then we blew it in January, and double blew it by replacing Karanka with a bus driver.

If we got promoted again we’d have a right go and make some surprising signings. Gibson always does, he’s still a kid at heart when the going’s good.
 
————————Valdes———————
Barragan—Chambers—Espinosa—Fabio
————- Forshaw—De Roon————-
———-Traore—Ramirez—Fisher———-
———————-Negredo——————-

Missing out on Harry Maguire and Victor Lindelof were pretty huge looking back.. and with no one in reserve. Someone on here said that Traore was the back up signing for Gerard Deulofeu.. we still went for him in January and I feel would have made a positive contribution. Where was Victor Orta’s connections and influence outside of signing players from Aston Villa?
 
I think we were doing decent until the janaury window but then everyone changed managers like Palace got big Sam in. Hull got Marco silva and Swansea got new manager and they invested. We stuck with Karanka who asked for more quality but ended up with Gestede and Bamford
 
Yeah, on paper that summer window looked really good, we certainly had a go.

Strengthened the spine with theoretical upgrades in every position: Victor bloody Valdes for Hartlepool’s Dimi, Espinosa, Marten de Roon for Clayton, Alvaro Negredo who was top end Prem class once for Kike. Also Forshaw, who weirdly couldn’t get a game in the Champo, came into his own in the PL and is still there. De Roon has proved since he is an excellent player too, he’s rarely been out of the Champions League since he left us. You can’t argue with the pedigree of those signings, we had a right go and they had a lot more quality than the players they replaced.

Where it went wrong was that the Spanish speaking players were largely awful (Barragan and Espinosa so poor, Valdes phoned it in, Gaston was a disgrace) and killed the team chemistry. Still a bit overrun in midfield and it’s harder to play our defend out 1-0 wins game in a league where it’s so hard to keep clean sheets and your right back is an absolute clown who can’t even take a throw in. Negredo did his best but was so isolated. Then we blew it in January, and double blew it by replacing Karanka with a bus driver.

If we got promoted again we’d have a right go and make some surprising signings. Gibson always does, he’s still a kid at heart when the going’s good.
Are you crazy?
We definitely did not have a go. We were the lowest spenders in the league, behind even Burnley.
We spent too little on too many.
January made a bad job worse.
 
A big mistake was letting Adomah go and bringing in Traore who was too raw and unpredictable. We should have brought Traore in but kept Adomah too. We literally had no creativity out wide so couldn't get up the pitch. Fischer didn't adjust, Traore hit and miss, Stuani a striker. Then we were killed off with Ramirez packing up in January, and no new signings out wide.
 
Are you crazy?
We definitely did not have a go. We were the lowest spenders in the league, behind even Burnley.
We spent too little on too many.
January made a bad job worse.
I don’t remember who Burnley brought in, wages vs transfer fees maybe.

It’s hard to argue with the calibre of players we brought in. A goalkeeper who’s in the Barcelona hall of fame and has won everything from the World Cup down, multiple times, and a striker from Man City who bossed La Liga a few years before?

It didn’t work out, but I don’t think Burnley were signing that calibre of player.
 
Maybe Burnley weren't bringing in that calibre of signings, but in truth both were over the hill. Maybe Burnley brought in more realistic signings for team progression. To be honest signing Randolph a year earlier would have been a better signing than valdes, yet a lower calibre signing.
 
A big mistake was letting Adomah go and bringing in Traore who was too raw and unpredictable. We should have brought Traore in but kept Adomah too. We literally had no creativity out wide so couldn't get up the pitch. Fischer didn't adjust, Traore hit and miss, Stuani a striker. Then we were killed off with Ramirez packing up in January, and no new signings out wide.

Valdes - expensive overhyped knob

Barragan - couldn’t take a throw in
Chambers - class, better with him fit
Espinosa - bought injured, didn’t feature
Fabio - right back

Forshaw - looked good, ended up at Leeds
De Roon - quality signing, superb

Traore - exciting made us £18m
Ramirez - pally fanny destroyed him
Fisher - injured not up to it

Negredo - expensive. did his job.
 
Looking at the sorts of transfers we would have been in for at the time..

GK Matz Sels - Newcastle £5m

RB Paddy McNair - Sunderland £4.5m
DF Grant Hanley - Newcastle £5m
DF Nathan Ake - Bournemouth Loan
LB Ciaran Clark - Newcastle £5m

LW Christian Atsu - Newcastle - Loan
MF Idrissa Gueye - Everton - £7m
MF Steven Defour - Burnley £7m
RW Matt Richie - Newcastle £12m

ST Jonathan Kodjia - Aston Villa £11m
ST Dwight Gayle - Newcastle £10m

£66.5m - much the same as it will be next time around, same sort of investment required (we managed on about £20m first time around) in competition with Newcastle, Everton & Villa. There is a limited pool of players that are available to us and clubs like us so even with the benefit of hindsight and an 3x the funding.. still tricky and there are no guarantees.

Setting the criteria for players early doors helps, identifying suitable alternative markets.. could be an option, but there again richer clubs should already have their ears to the ground.

Free agents looking to move up the league or move from abroad, fringe players looking for game time.. ideally I would say a 26yo free agent, with Premier League experience or Premier League attributes.. bonus points for a north east background/connection or player connections.
 
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