VAR.........yet again

[chickenrunner]

Don't know what the fecking hell Webb is on about here, half the time it's VAR drawing the on field refs attention to minor contact that's the cause of the problem (see England game the other night). You know that once he's sent to the screen by VAR it's gonna be a pen.

Howard Webb urges VAR officials to intervene more often on soft penalties

VAR officials have been asked to encourage referees to review decisions involving minimal contact even if an error is not ‘clear and obvious’

www.theguardian.com

 

[TeaCider]

As long as the referee himself has seen the decision back in questionable situations, it removes a potential complaint.

That Newcastle penalty against Wolves, the referee wrongly gave the penalty on field, but was never invited to check himself, despite VAR spending about 5 minutes checking.

 

[The Card Cheat]

It’ll get worse and worse and worse, until one day years in the future they’ll realise people aren’t nearly as interested in Football anymore. Then they’ll scrap it because it’s affecting their income streams.

 

[Maccarone]

You could be right

 

[FishofContemplation]

Don't know what the fecking hell Webb is on about here, half the time it's VAR drawing the on field refs attention to minor contact that's the cause of the problem (see England game the other night). You know that once he's sent to the screen by VAR it's gonna be a pen.

Howard Webb urges VAR officials to intervene more often on soft penalties

VAR officials have been asked to encourage referees to review decisions involving minimal contact even if an error is not ‘clear and obvious’

www.theguardian.com

To be fair, it is quite clear what he’s on about. He is suggesting that the standard for VAR intervention should be lowered below “clear and obvious”.

It’s a valid point of view. I have never been fully convinced that VAR works at all on subjective decisions, and I have always felt that the clear and obvious standard was a recipe for disaster. All other sports that briefly tried this, binned it straight away.

But it probably doesn’t help the debate if those who do not like VAR decided to throw out the basic standards of English comprehension that they have presumedly possessed since they were 14 years old and pretend they cannot understand basic concepts.

 

[Stocko]

I thought VAR was brought in for clear fouls that were missed by the ref,
instead we have a slight tap of players boot against an opponent scrutinised 15 times, played in slow mo, reversed and stop at “the point of contact” before the ref is summoned over to a monitor.

 

[The Card Cheat]

To be fair, it is quite clear what he’s on about. He is suggesting that the standard for VAR intervention should be lowered below “clear and obvious”.

It’s a valid point of view. I have never been fully convinced that VAR works at all on subjective decisions, and I have always felt that the clear and obvious standard was a recipe for disaster. All other sports that briefly tried this, binned it straight away.

But it probably doesn’t help the debate if those who do not like VAR decided to throw out the basic standards of English comprehension that they have presumedly possessed since they were 14 years old and pretend they cannot understand basic concepts.

Surely that should be “those who do not like VAR decide to throw out the basic standards of English comprehension.” Not decided. Which makes no sense.
I always find it best if you’re wanting to lecture people on standards of English comprehension, best write sentences which are comprehensible in English.

 

[FishofContemplation]

Surely that should be “those who do not like VAR decide to throw out the basic standards of English comprehension.” Not decided. Which makes no sense.
I always find it best if you’re wanting to lecture people on standards of English comprehension, best write sentences which are comprehensible in English.

Aye fair comment. I’m an **** there. But I still think in this case Webb’s meaning is clear.

 

[RedAsABeetroot]

Don't know what the fecking hell Webb is on about here, half the time it's VAR drawing the on field refs attention to minor contact that's the cause of the problem (see England game the other night). You know that once he's sent to the screen by VAR it's gonna be a pen.

Howard Webb urges VAR officials to intervene more often on soft penalties

VAR officials have been asked to encourage referees to review decisions involving minimal contact even if an error is not ‘clear and obvious’

www.theguardian.com

I'd have less of a problem with this if they also invited the ref to review blatant simulation and get the ref to issue a red card to the offending player.

 

[chickenrunner]

Aye fair comment. I’m an **** there. But I still think in this case Webb’s meaning is clear.

You are right Webb's meaning is clear but entirely disingenuous. VAR should have sorted the 'soft penalties' problem but has actually made things worse and has entirely validated the 'felt a touch, go down' merchants. Following the introduction of VAR penalty awards rose by 50% in the EPL and by 100% in the SPL, that's not a coincidence.

 

[Muttley]

I'm not sure what he's saying here? Calling for MORE intervention even when the error is not "clear and obvious"? We're already seeing games run regularly into 100 minutes.

It's a huge hole and they have decided to see if there is a way out of it by digging...

Just to add. This is EXACTLY the lessons that other sports learnt. That once you start micro-analysing decision making and challenging even debatable decisions you find that officials use the replay analysis more and more. NFL and cricket learnt that you need to limit the involvement of the video officials otherwise you will end up with games taking too long and more and more disjointed. And that is in sports that are by their nature "episodic". In cricket you have breaks between balls in American football between "downs". Football is more dynamic and yet respected referees like Webb are advocating further video adjudication...

 

[newusername]

I have always felt that the clear and obvious standard was a recipe for disaster. All other sports that briefly tried this, binned it straight away.

I don't know about all other sports but in the NFL for the referrees ruling to be overturned it has to be clear that they have made an error otherwise the ruling on the field is confirmed (they got it right) or stands (it isn't clear they got it wrong).

 

[1finny]

Stupid man
What on earth is a soft penalty and who judges it is or it isn’t?
A slight tough that a sends a striker off balance ‘soft’ …..except to the striker

its either a penalty or it isn’t

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

Nooooo, the game isn't for a load of bald headed blokes in a room at VAR headquarters to fap themselves silly as they draw their lines and have some top bantz with each other.

We need far less input from refs and VAR, not more.

I cannot take many more decisions like that 'penalty' against Lewis on Monday, there are not many straws left. They are killing football.