Vaccine passports

Cuthbert said:
You'd like to see riots? Wow.
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You would support restricting young people (or those not at risk generally) from doing day to day activities unless they were subject to a medical procedure that provided very little benefit to them personally? Wow!

Imagine saying pre-covid that you 18 year olds were not allowed in pubs unless theyd had the flu jab. Absurd. Thats how far we have come with out thinking as a nation if we support such a thing.
 
You could surely use the same civil liberties argument against regular passports. ie why should I have to pay for a passport with a photo of my face on it just so I can go on holiday, it’s an outrage, people will know where I am.

I don’t think there will be an official vaccine passport but as others have said, some countries will demand that you‘ve had a vaccine before entering, in the same way that you need yellow fever jabs to travel to exotic countries in order to protect yourself and their health services.

As for domestic venues, I’ve got a couple of festivals booked this year and I’d feel more comfortable if everyone there has been vaccinated, especially in view of my wife’s health. I think venues will make up their own set of rules to protect their staff and customer, which is their prerogative.
 
coluka said:
Riots leads to injury, destruction and possible death. Why would you want that? What good do riots generally do in modern Britain? It would simply play into the hands of criminals and the gang lords who destroy local communities and would lead to greater state controls if anything. Riots are the last thing this country and local communities need.
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OKAY OKAY. I FORGOT AGAIN DAMN IT. Everything i say will be taken as the literal and most extreme manifestation of the word

YOU WOULDNT THINK THE NAME OF THE F***ing PLACE WAS ABOUT FLYING TO THE MOON - someone shouldve pointed out how unlikely this was to him


Uproar. .A dramatic response from the population. Protest. collective action.

Obviously (clearly not obviously) i do not want them to burn buildings down and stab each other. I just wouldnt like us to accept something like this lying down

Christ sake
 
ThirdLeg said:
You would support restricting young people (or those not at risk generally) from doing day to day activities unless they were subject to a medical procedure that provided very little benefit to them personally? Wow!

Imagine saying pre-covid that you 18 year olds were not allowed in pubs unless theyd had the flu jab. Absurd. Thats how far we have come with out thinking as a nation if we support such a thing.
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You are willing to allow people to help the virus mutate and increase the risk to the efficacy of the vaccine or serious illness and death to others and riot if they can’t have a few beers in the pub........ Wow!

This virus will be about forever, you will hopefully live a long life but will develop vulnerabilities and want people to respect your well being one day. I despair for the future of society with such attitudes.
 
Maybe pubs were you need to show you have had the vaccination and a few pubs for those who wont/can't. Staffed by those who are happy to take the risk ?
 
ThirdLeg said:
OKAY OKAY. I FORGOT AGAIN DAMN IT. Everything i say will be taken as the literal and most extreme manifestation of the word

YOU WOULDNT THINK THE NAME OF THE F***ing PLACE WAS ABOUT FLYING TO THE MOON - someone shouldve pointed out how unlikely this was to him


Uproar. .A dramatic response from the population. Protest. collective action.

Obviously (clearly not obviously) i do not want them to burn buildings down and stab each other. I just wouldnt like us to accept something like this lying down

Christ sake
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I am sure you don’t literally want some of the obvious consequences that happen, but the reality of protests are not always positive, bad things unfortunately happen as we know from recent history
 
I honestly despair that the supposed left leaning people on this board are so swift to jump to the 'if it saves a life' defence of complete and utter Draconian life. Shame on you frankly.

You show your selfishness whilst signalling it's all about saving others.

You honestly don't give a **** about the generations below you whose lives you so flippantly toy with.
 
Was chatting with a workmate (TEAMS) and he said "What if the passport was for a limited time - to get say 90% of the country vaccinated - and then abolished?"

My own thoughts were "Who watchers the watchers" in that that they might extend that to suit themselves.
 
If vaccine passports become a thing because of health reasons then the government should also ban the sale of tobacco, alcohol, sugar loaded food and drinks to those under 18 and the use of petrol/diesel fuelled vehicles in high/medium density population centres.

That's if they and the public care as much about health matters as they say they do.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I honestly despair that the supposed left leaning people on this board are so swift to jump to the 'if it saves a life' defence of complete and utter Draconian life. Shame on you frankly.

You show your selfishness whilst signalling it's all about saving others.

You honestly don't give a **** about the generations below you whose lives you so flippantly toy with.
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Not another ageist rant from you?

There are plenty in the younger age range cautious about the way forward, possibly with more of a grasp of the realities of this temporary situation.

Stop the dramatics.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I honestly despair that the supposed left leaning people on this board are so swift to jump to the 'if it saves a life' defence of complete and utter Draconian life. Shame on you frankly.

You show your selfishness whilst signalling it's all about saving others.

You honestly don't give a **** about the generations below you whose lives you so flippantly toy with.
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Absolute tosh, what a horrible thing to say!

A 16 yr old recently died of covid with no underlying health issues, I wonder what their family and friends think of your view. Society should care about everyone not just specific age groups. As I have previously said the young will strive to be old one day, with a fair wind, they will want their health and safety respected and catered for as they age or develop vulnerabilities.

Covid will not disappear, vaccines are not cures, they are treatments that try to limit risk. We all have a civic duty to protect each other. Sometimes sacrifices are necessary, communities will break down otherwise. What some of the young forget is that everyone old was once young and had sacrifices in their time, be that wars, financial, unemployment etc it is all part of everyday life on planet Earth. It frightens me how selfish and blinkered some people can look at things. Nobody, least of all me is happy with how things are, lets support each other for another few months till everyone is vaccinated and life can return to more normality. We will still have restrictions and risk but I’d sooner that than see people dying earlier than their time.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Well have a think about it, do some reading and maybe you'll change your mind. Maybe not.

I personally try to look into the future and wouldn't be a fan of 10 years from now scanning into every shop/work/leisure establishment and that data being mined by state actors. You could argue that people do that with their phones already, you'd be wrong.

When you watch films like minority report do you say to yourself I don't get the problem here?
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Around six years ago I was working with a med-tech start up that was developing an app/device that would dispense medication for patients to take as and when it was required. The aim was that elderly patients with dementia/memory loss would not forget to take the right amount of medication at the right times and for carers to better track that medicine was being taken correctly.

The app would record the data and records of every patient held. The only businesses interested in financing and developing the tech with the start up - health insurance companies...
 
Alvez_48 said:
I honestly despair that the supposed left leaning people on this board are so swift to jump to the 'if it saves a life' defence of complete and utter Draconian life. Shame on you frankly.

You show your selfishness whilst signalling it's all about saving others.

You honestly don't give a **** about the generations below you whose lives you so flippantly toy with.
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You absolutely love to be offended dont you?

No one is suggesting you need a passport to do daily things like go into a shop, but its to be expected that things like foreign holidays will expect proof of vaccination, and why wouldnt this be the case, would you rather this just continue to be spread, people dying needlessly and end up back in lockdown again?
 
JM14 said:
You absolutely love to be offended dont you?

No one is suggesting you need a passport to do daily things like go into a shop, but its to be expected that things like foreign holidays will expect proof of vaccination, and why wouldnt this be the case, would you rather this just continue to be spread, people dying needlessly and end up back in lockdown again?
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It absolutely is being suggested by plenty of people on this thread, maybe have a go at reading it mine is the first reply that says absolutely fine and dandy for holidays.
 
Randy said:
If vaccine passports become a thing because of health reasons then the government should also ban the sale of tobacco, alcohol, sugar loaded food and drinks to those under 18 and the use of petrol/diesel fuelled vehicles in high/medium density population centres.

That's if they and the public care as much about health matters as they say they do.
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If lung cancer, heart disease etc become contagious then im sure those things will be banned, until then its a totally different scenario
 
JM14 said:
If lung cancer, heart disease etc become contagious then im sure those things will be banned, until then its a totally different scenario
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Still just as deadly, if not more deadly and cost the NHS more than covid does. The whole 'they aren't contagious' argument is selfish.
 
ThirdLeg said:
OKAY OKAY. I FORGOT AGAIN DAMN IT. Everything i say will be taken as the literal and most extreme manifestation of the word

YOU WOULDNT THINK THE NAME OF THE F***ing PLACE WAS ABOUT FLYING TO THE MOON - someone shouldve pointed out how unlikely this was to him


Uproar. .A dramatic response from the population. Protest. collective action.

Obviously (clearly not obviously) i do not want them to burn buildings down and stab each other. I just wouldnt like us to accept something like this lying down

Christ sake
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Well don't use the word RIOT.
 
Laughing said:
Got a link to a news article on that Bear, would be interested to read how it was percieved by the general public. One of my colleagues lives in Germany I'll have to ask him. He did say during the first lockdown that Germans are notorious for obeying rules. I was doing some stuff for Adidas a couple of years ago and I noticed that folks wouldn't jay walk, even if it was midnight and not a car in sight as they enforce it with spot fines.
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A slight aside but it’s exactly the same in Japan - I was stood at the crossings thinking why are people not moving there is not a car in sight.
 
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