Vaccine passports

Randy said:
Still just as deadly, if not more deadly and cost the NHS more than covid does. The whole 'they aren't contagious' argument is selfish.
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Covid can go from a handful of cases to tens of thousands in the space of just a few weeks which can easily overwhelm hospitals, obviously cancers are way more serious but they wouldnt cause disruption to the healthcare service in the way that covid has.

Point is its fairly obvious why we are having to have stricter measures to stop covid spreading than what we would with other illnesses
 
Proof of vaccination to gain entry to a venue is a bad idea, it punishes people for a life choice. No one has been wanting this for flu, whilst not as deadly it kills plenty of people.

We will have to learn to live with covid at some level as it is not likely to go away. We will be getting yearly vaccinations I suspect for those most vulnerable, whilst others will be left to either pay for their own vaccinations or do without, very similar to flu at the moment.

The government will not continue to use taxes and the time it will take to re-vaccinate the entire population every year, they don't even want to feed starving children so no hope of that happening. What would be the cost of vaccinating 65 million people every year in terms of staffing costs and the vaccine itself. It would have to be staffed completely outside the NHS as they just would not have the capacity to do this year on year.

I wonder how many people will still be calling for yearly, enforced vaccinations when they have to pay for it themselves. Not sure the virtue signalling will take them that far.

Then there are those who cannot be vaccinated, do we just exclude those.

It's a dumb idea.
 
FatCat said:
A slight aside but it’s exactly the same in Japan - I was stood at the crossings thinking why are people not moving there is not a car in sight.
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I found it very odd. Walking back from a pub at midnight in Nuremburgh and the road was empty. There were 5 or 6 people just waiting for the green man.

They are very well behaved. I believe it is illegal in the UK to cross the road anywhere but at a designated crossing point, but it isn't enforced. I could, of course, just have made that up.
 
Randy said:
If vaccine passports become a thing because of health reasons then the government should also ban the sale of tobacco, alcohol, sugar loaded food and drinks to those under 18 and the use of petrol/diesel fuelled vehicles in high/medium density population centres.

That's if they and the public care as much about health matters as they say they do.
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Randy said:
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I'm sure you've noticed over the years how society through government policy and law has changed the sale and use of cigarettes and alcohol, putting limits on sugar levels etc. Lowering of emission levels , park and rides into major cities etc. It's how developed countries react to evidence based health issues. But it took time, something we don't have in an epidemic.
Mitigating measure are put in place to protect people from others and sometimes themselves by their actions.
 
It is an interesting and thought provoking situation. Having worked in a data insight environment, most people would be shocked about how much information is collected and held about you. some of which is correct and some will just be wrong on every level. If data is held about me, I would prefer it to be correct. So in that way, I wouldn't be against a passport, or anything with my medical details, which may aid my recovery in the event of an accident.
To apply a passport to the population would be difficult, in the event of going out for a meal how do you apply it to children who aren't part of the vaccination program. Do you therefore ban children from eating out. In my experience it is more likely that there are running about the establishment passing on germs. Or is that a reflection on the places that I go to ?
On a wider level, what happens to illegal immigrants, foreign tourists, the homeless and people not registered with a doctors. How are they monitored and where appropriate part of the vaccination program.
 
it should be compulsary to be vaccinated if you want to go on holidays!!!something would have to be sorted of course for people who CANNOT have it for medical reasons,but people who just dont want it,then they wouldnt be allowed abroad,
 
Laughing said:
Proof of vaccination to gain entry to a venue is a bad idea, it punishes people for a life choice. No one has been wanting this for flu, whilst not as deadly it kills plenty of people.

We will have to learn to live with covid at some level as it is not likely to go away. We will be getting yearly vaccinations I suspect for those most vulnerable, whilst others will be left to either pay for their own vaccinations or do without, very similar to flu at the moment.

The government will not continue to use taxes and the time it will take to re-vaccinate the entire population every year, they don't even want to feed starving children so no hope of that happening. What would be the cost of vaccinating 65 million people every year in terms of staffing costs and the vaccine itself. It would have to be staffed completely outside the NHS as they just would not have the capacity to do this year on year.

I wonder how many people will still be calling for yearly, enforced vaccinations when they have to pay for it themselves. Not sure the virtue signalling will take them that far.

Then there are those who cannot be vaccinated, do we just exclude those.

It's a dumb idea.
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Is it perhaps a dumb idea to call people out as virtue signallers when they may have friends and family that have died from COVID and are desperate not to see the pattern repeated in future. Am not advocating vaccine passports in saying this but I think it wrong to label people who might be genuinely fearful of the future and after the past 12 months may have been given very good reason to be so.
 
Wait until we all get a Elon Musk microchip 😂 so we can be scanned like a cat all our details brought up in a instant by authorities.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I honestly despair that the supposed left leaning people on this board are so swift to jump to the 'if it saves a life' defence of complete and utter Draconian life. Shame on you frankly.

You show your selfishness whilst signalling it's all about saving others.

You honestly don't give a **** about the generations below you whose lives you so flippantly toy with.
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Agree 100% Alvez, some of the posters on here should take a listen to Charles Walker and Richard Fuller's speeches yesterday and take a long, hard look in the mirror. I wouldn't have believed a year ago that Tory MPs are the only ones showing empathy for the many millions of lives ruined by the Government's response to this pandemic.
 
Never mix political ideology and naked financial self - interest with public health.
The former two dont go with the latter.
In fact the former are the biggest threat to public health.
 
rob_fmttm said:
Is it perhaps a dumb idea to call people out as virtue signallers when they may have friends and family that have died from COVID and are desperate not to see the pattern repeated in future. Am not advocating vaccine passports in saying this but I think it wrong to label people who might be genuinely fearful of the future and after the past 12 months may have been given very good reason to be so.
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Rob, you have very definite views on the pandemic, and that is fine, there is room for everyones views, anyone saying "make vaccinations mandatory, end off" has not spent a single moment thinking before he started typing. Sorry Rob, I take your point, but don't agree with it.

You could throw the same reasoning at anyone who supports this tory government and I think you would be wrong there too.

The board has to allow differing views, and whilst I have every sympathy with anyone who has lost a loved one, that shouldn't stifle debate or the use of a term like virtue signalling.

Perhaps have a word with posters who were previously accusing folks of killing their own grandmothers.
 
Laughing said:
Proof of vaccination to gain entry to a venue is a bad idea, it punishes people for a life choice. No one has been wanting this for flu, whilst not as deadly it kills plenty of people.

We will have to learn to live with covid at some level as it is not likely to go away. We will be getting yearly vaccinations I suspect for those most vulnerable, whilst others will be left to either pay for their own vaccinations or do without, very similar to flu at the moment.

The government will not continue to use taxes and the time it will take to re-vaccinate the entire population every year, they don't even want to feed starving children so no hope of that happening. What would be the cost of vaccinating 65 million people every year in terms of staffing costs and the vaccine itself. It would have to be staffed completely outside the NHS as they just would not have the capacity to do this year on year.

I wonder how many people will still be calling for yearly, enforced vaccinations when they have to pay for it themselves. Not sure the virtue signalling will take them that l
Then there are those who cannot be vaccinated, do we just exclude those.

It's a dumb idea.
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When you say it punishes people for a life choice, the trouble is that those same individuals could punish someone else for their life choice too.

If some venues decided to go Vax-only, fair enough. Just go to the venues that are less bothered, and don't require it. (I'm sure if vaccine passports/cards were introduced there would definitely be some pubs that were anti checking (for the civil liberty reasons you've outlined)).

That way everyone gets to make a life choice, not just the people who have decided not to have the vaccine.
 
Having a vaccine passport doesn’t prove you don’t have Covid 19 - as far as I’m aware you can still catch Covid (as it’s not 100% protection) and you can still pass it on. Rapid testing is now available - makes more sense to me and doesn’t discriminate against those that either can’t have or don’t want the vaccine



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Cuthbert said:
When you say it punishes people for a life choice, the trouble is that those same individuals could punish someone else for their life choice too.

If some venues decided to go Vax-only, fair enough. Just go to the venues that are less bothered, and don't require it. (I'm sure if vaccine passports/cards were introduced there would definitely be some pubs that were anti checking (for the civil liberty reasons you've outlined)).

That way everyone gets to make a life choice, not just the people who have decided not to have the vaccine.
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Except those that can't take the vaccine for some reason, and children. What choice do they and/or their parents get.

What do we do next year, spend taxes on re-vaccinating everyone for free? If not how do poorer people pay for their own vaccinations? How do you fund and staff this effort?

Once those who want to be vaccinated are, I am failing to see that there is much risk above the standard winter flu. We read efficacy figures of 90% and that is just for symptomatic cases.

I am all for encouraging people to be vaccinated, not for limiting their lives because they don't want to be vaccinated, or simply cannot be.

Come up with a strategy for next year, what do we do about vaccinations then? How do we pay for it and how do we roll out a programme like that again without using too many overstretched NHS resources.
 
Carlos Fandango said:
Speaking during a visit to a south London school, Mr Johnson said the UK had "never thought in terms of having something that you have to show to go to a pub or a theatre".

So there's a good chance that you'll have to show something to go to a pub or theatre.
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People who don’t have one would just get one off the internet like they have with mask exemption passes - it’s a fecking dumb idea




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