Vaccine Passports on the way

I'm sure this tolerant attitude will comfort Lisa Shaw's family greatly...
I'm sure there are 1,000s of people's names we can list of people who died from covid because the unvaccinated walk amongst us spreading the disease.

But this misses the point, no vaccine or medical treatment is 100% safe, but she could just as easily have died from covid given to her by an unvaccinated person. It's sad that she lost her life, but the alternative to not taking the vaccine certainly isn't 100% she would still be alive.

Tolerant, I am being, I just accept there is a prid quo pro to protecting our society. You can choose to be part of our society and protect it with a vaccine, and then enjoy the benefits of what you protected, or you can choose to ignore our society, be anti-social but that should come with a limitation on our societal benefits. Not as a punishment, but for the protection of those that choose to take the vaccine and protect society. My stance is completely tolerant of everyone's decisions, people just need to accept that our decision come with repercussions.
 
I'm sure there are 1,000s of people's names we can list of people who died from covid because the unvaccinated walk amongst us spreading the disease.

But this misses the point, no vaccine or medical treatment is 100% safe, but she could just as easily have died from covid given to her by an unvaccinated person. It's sad that she lost her life, but the alternative to not taking the vaccine certainly isn't 100% she would still be alive.

Tolerant, I am being, I just accept there is a prid quo pro to protecting our society. You can choose to be part of our society and protect it with a vaccine, and then enjoy the benefits of what you protected, or you can choose to ignore our society, be anti-social but that should come with a limitation on our societal benefits. Not as a punishment, but for the protection of those that choose to take the vaccine and protect society. My stance is completely tolerant of everyone's decisions, people just need to accept that our decision come with repercussions.
BoroMart that is an obscene post.
 
I've just been to France where the V/passport is already in use. I did wonder whether it would slow things down when eating/drinking out going to events and places of interest and stuff, but it genuinely didn't. People have very quickly got used to it, have the app open on their phone and it's a matter of a second or two to scan it.
The issue isn't that is slows service time down though is it, at worst it is a minor inconvenience. It is the fact that the vaccine passport creates a 2-tier society, those that have had the vaccine, and those that either can't have or simply don't want to have the vaccine (as is everyone's choice).
 
I'm sure there are 1,000s of people's names we can list of people who died from covid because the unvaccinated walk amongst us spreading the disease.

But this misses the point, no vaccine or medical treatment is 100% safe, but she could just as easily have died from covid given to her by an unvaccinated person. It's sad that she lost her life, but the alternative to not taking the vaccine certainly isn't 100% she would still be alive.

Tolerant, I am being, I just accept there is a prid quo pro to protecting our society. You can choose to be part of our society and protect it with a vaccine, and then enjoy the benefits of what you protected, or you can choose to ignore our society, be anti-social but that should come with a limitation on our societal benefits. Not as a punishment, but for the protection of those that choose to take the vaccine and protect society. My stance is completely tolerant of everyone's decisions, people just need to accept that our decision come with repercussions.
Hang on, you are blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of a virus worldwide? Even though it's been proven that vaccinated people carry it, spread it and die from it too?

Classic.
 
Hang on, you are blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of a virus worldwide? Even though it's been proven that vaccinated people carry it, spread it and die from it too?

Classic.
I'd hoped it was obvious what I'm saying, but seemingly not to you as you've completely misinterpreted and misrepresented what I wrote.

The vaccine reduces the spread. The unvaccinated are more likely to get the virus and more likely to spread it, particularly those who are both anti-vax AND anti-mask. I'd rather the virus didn't exist, but it does. So pragmatically we all need to do our bit to protect society. Those who choose not to do their bit (anti-vaxer, anti-maskers, and anti-vax-maskers) to protect society should not be taking the benefits from that same society they stubbornly refuse to protect.

I will respect someones right to not have the vax, when they respect the rest of society by accepting that they are a greater danger to it and stop interacting and taking societal benefits.
 
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I'd hoped it was obvious what I'm saying, but seemingly not to you as you've completely misinterpreted and misrepresented what I wrote.

The vaccine reduces the spread. The unvaccinated are more likely to get the virus and more likely to spread it, particularly those who are both anti-vax AND anti-max. I'd rather the virus didn't exist, but it does. So pragmatically we all need to do our bit to protect society. Those who choose not to do their bit (anti-vaxer, anti-maskers, and anti-vax-maskers) to protect society should not be taking the benefits from that same society they stubbornly refuse to protect.

I will respect someones right to not have the vax, when they respect the rest of society by accepting that they are a greater danger to it and stop interacting and taking societal benefits.
Madness. Glad the Government don't agree with you. You're advocating a huge percentage of completely healthy people not being able to do the same things as other healthy people, even if there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.
 
advocating a huge percentage of completely healthy people not being able to do the same things as other healthy people
It's not a "huge percentage" though is it? What are we 80% vaxxed? And that 20% would include those unable to have the vaccine and kids.

Also although vaccinated people can still transmit the virus they are much less likely to do so.

And it might only have covered things like going to night clubs for a few months in the winter hardly analogous to marching them off to death camps like some seem to think!

Any way, postponed for a month to give us something to thank Johnson for. All hail Great Leader.
 
It's not a "huge percentage" though is it? What are we 80% vaxxed? And that 20% would include those unable to have the vaccine and kids.

Also although vaccinated people can still transmit the virus they are much less likely to do so.

And it might only have covered things like going to night clubs for a few months in the winter hardly analogous to marching them off to death camps like some seem to think!

Any way, postponed for a month to give us something to thank Johnson for. All hail Great Leader.
UK Population is what - 65 million people? Even 10% is 6.5 MILLION people, so it is a decent number of largely healthy people having their freedoms restricted.

It despairs me that some of you would literally lick your chops with glee if they change course again and said proof of vaccine to go certain places was a thing. It might only start with nightclubs but if it comes in is it going to stop there - look at France?
 
I'd hoped it was obvious what I'm saying, but seemingly not to you as you've completely misinterpreted and misrepresented what I wrote.

The vaccine reduces the spread. The unvaccinated are more likely to get the virus and more likely to spread it, particularly those who are both anti-vax AND anti-max. I'd rather the virus didn't exist, but it does. So pragmatically we all need to do our bit to protect society. Those who choose not to do their bit (anti-vaxer, anti-maskers, and anti-vax-maskers) to protect society should not be taking the benefits from that same society they stubbornly refuse to protect.

I will respect someones right to not have the vax, when they respect the rest of society by accepting that they are a greater danger to it and stop interacting and taking societal benefits.
What if the kids refuse to have it?
 
What on earth is happening to people? Bm we don't often agree but to say the unvaccinated walk amongst us spreading the disease... I am thoroughly ashamed that I have ever engaged with you.

I got vaccinated because it was right for me. Nobody who spouts your poison got vaccinated for the greater good. You did it because it could save your life. No more no less.

I am out of here until the board gets a semblance of humanity.
 
UK Population is what - 65 million people? Even 10% is 6.5 MILLION people, so it is a decent number of largely healthy people having their freedoms restricted.
Ah so percentages aren't so important? Make up your mind!

As I said before we are only talking about not being able to go to certain events without vaccination for a few months. So that is only a restriction if you would ordinarily attend these events
It despairs me that some of you would literally lick your chops with glee
Oh don't be silly. Firstly it isn't happening. And I don't think anyone WANTS it to happen. But if is required is it really such a problem?
What if the kids refuse to have it?
They won't be able to go to Night Clubs. Simple enough?
 
Ah so percentages aren't so important? Make up your mind!

As I said before we are only talking about not being able to go to certain events without vaccination for a few months. So that is only a restriction if you would ordinarily attend these events

Oh don't be silly. Firstly it isn't happening. And I don't think anyone WANTS it to happen. But if is required is it really such a problem?

They won't be able to go to Night Clubs. Simple enough?
Kids can't go to nightclubs anyways. The ones under 18 anyway.
 
I'm obviously cynical, but this smacks more of the "optics" than public health.
If we still have high case numbers and hospital admissions in a few months then you'll know it'll be added to the long list of "things we should have done earlier".
 
You're advocating a huge percentage of completely healthy people not being able to do the same things as other healthy people, even if there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.
I'm advocating those people taking responsibility for their life choices. They want their cake and to eat it, but life simply doesn't work that way. We all have choices to make in life, and they all come with consequences. The government will agree with me eventually, some front benchers clearly do already, it's only the fact we have such a weak leader that means we haven't already instigated this. But as per usual, we will be behind the curve of rationale governments and will introduce it......not until after there are a bench of needless deaths of course.
 
It despairs me that some of you would literally lick your chops with glee
stop being a dafthead, I specifically stated this isn't about punishment, and we respect the right of the individual not to be vaccinated. If you think that is licking chops with glee then you've got a screw lose. But, respecting that, means accepting their are some consequences. We have to protect society first, and we can't do that when large numbers refuse to do so. That's fine, but you can't have all the societal benefits if you are not going to do your bit for society.
 
What on earth is happening to people? Bm we don't often agree but to say the unvaccinated walk amongst us spreading the disease... I am thoroughly ashamed that I have ever engaged with you.

I got vaccinated because it was right for me. Nobody who spouts your poison got vaccinated for the greater good. You did it because it could save your life. No more no less.

I am out of here until the board gets a semblance of humanity.
This is an interesting take isn't it? Middle paragraph documenting he only does things for selfish reasons and to look after number one.

Than a final one saying we should show more humanity?

Bit mixed up no?
 
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