Usyk to have a better heavyweight resume than fury

Andy_W said:
Thing is the reigning champion would have got a 50% split from when he won too.

Overall the biggest fighters and champions would still get a massive majority of the money, but it just completely cuts out the "negotiation" which is clearly used as a too to doge fights, and they all do it.

Sure, the current champions and top fighters would never go for this idea, but upcoming fighters and future champions probably would.

They need to do something like this to distribute the money better too, it's a similar problem to football.

33% each and then 33% more to the winner, for all fights might even be better. Or 30% each, 30% winner and 10% split over the top 100.
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So i go full joe louis and make 20 odd title defences and make 50% each one? Do you honestly think a guy like that only deserves 50% when virtually everyone wants to see him and the other guy is an also ran? Your argument that theres continuity in the split also applies to any split you care to name so its meaningless. The thought of al blue lewis getting an equal share of the purse as ali for example shows how ridiculous the concept is. It would get laughed out of every gym, promoters and managers office in the world. These fighters risk their lives for the big prize, not to split it 50/50 with a tomato can. No champion now past or present would ever have entertained a 50/50 split with a challenger and nor should he. An incentivised element might be a different matter but the base deal would steal have to tip in favour of the champ.
 
MagicMike said:
So i go full joe louis and make 20 odd title defences and make 50% each one? Do you honestly think a guy like that only deserves 50% when virtually everyone wants to see him and the other guy is an also ran? Your argument that theres continuity in the split also applies to any split you care to name so its meaningless. The thought of al blue lewis getting an equal share of the purse as ali for example shows how ridiculous the concept is. It would get laughed out of every gym, promoters and managers office in the world. These fighters risk their lives for the big prize, not to split it 50/50 with a tomato can. No champion now past or present would ever have entertained a 50/50 split with a challenger and nor should he. An incentivised element might be a different matter but the base deal would steal have to tip in favour of the champ.
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It's not the 40's though, that's not going to happen ever again. Obviously, 20 fights bring around a hell of a lot of personal sponsorship too, which probably doubles that.

20 fights at a 10m purse (which is low) @ 50/50 is £100m, double that for sponsorship and that's ~£200m, is that not enough?

Those 20 challengers would need to be worthy of a title fight, and likely have to go through a boatload of lower-paid fights to get there. Then keep in mind the guy they're fighting has beat 20 other top fighters, so it's unlikely they're going to win, and unlikely that anyone else has had a time at the top (and got money for that).

The lower-level fighters are risking their lives too, they're probably risking more as they're less skilled and continually fighting guys who are ranked higher than them.

Champions might not like it as much, but the other 99.99% would, and the champions would still end up with far more cash than anyone else.
 
Not going to get into the debate of whether the 70s, 90s or current eras were stronger. To be honest the sport has evolved. Heavyweights are far bigger than they were in the 70s or 90s. Lewis was considered a giant in the 90s yet Fury is fighting around 25 lbs heavier. Mike Tyson's fighting weight was around 10lbs lighter than Usyk and Usyk is obviously a small heavyweight these days. It's difficult to compare.

As for the top heavyweights avoiding each other, I think that's unfair. There's one man avoiding the others and making it difficult for the top fighters to meet. Usyk has tried to take on the top fighters. Surely no one can honestly think that Usyk didn't try his best to make the Fury fight. He had one small window to make that fight before he was going to be tied up with mandatories and Fury wasted it. Usyk will be tied up with mandatories for the foreseeable unless another dispensation is granted for an undisputed bout.

AJ has been in a similar position as Usyk for the last 3 or 4 years where he has been tied up with mandatories. He's never vacated a belt, he's fought who's been put in front of him including Usyk. He seems serious about making the Wilder fight this year.

Fury is the problem. You just need to look at his title defenses. Dillian Whyte (mandatory) and Derek Chisora (voluntary). That's it. That is the grand total of world title defenses of the self proclaimed greatest heavyweight of his generation. He's held the belt for 23 months and they are his defenses with no fight in the pipeline. The first time he won the won the belts from Vladimir, he vacated rather than honoring the rematch. The WBC are a joke. Had no mandatory in place for the last 13 months so Fury can continue coasting along avoiding everyone.
 
Andy_W said:
It's not the 40's though, that's not going to happen ever again. Obviously, 20 fights bring around a hell of a lot of personal sponsorship too, which probably doubles that.

20 fights at a 10m purse (which is low) @ 50/50 is £100m, double that for sponsorship and that's ~£200m, is that not enough?

Those 20 challengers would need to be worthy of a title fight, and likely have to go through a boatload of lower-paid fights to get there. Then keep in mind the guy they're fighting has beat 20 other top fighters, so it's unlikely they're going to win, and unlikely that anyone else has had a time at the top (and got money for that).

The lower-level fighters are risking their lives too, they're probably risking more as they're less skilled and continually fighting guys who are ranked higher than them.

Champions might not like it as much, but the other 99.99% would, and the champions would still end up with far more cash than anyone else.
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Youre living in cloud cuckoo land if you think any fighter once they become champ will start gifting the challengers 50%. Simply wont happen unless two committed communists fight each other. Champions and their managers and the promoters call the shots not the little nobodies fighting in places you’ve never heard of. Read up on the history of boxing, get a copy of jacobs beach, the fight game hasnt changed so drastically in its machinations since the IBC, the shot callers are different but theyre calling the same shots. And inactivity by reigning champions is nothing new either, fury is simply taking it back to the days of corbett when they wok the title might have had a few non title bouts then went on the music hall and vaudeville tours to top up their accounts and no risk. Its annoying and fury should be stripped if he is going to get serious and quick.
 
This is boxing in a nutshell nowadays, fans arguing online about money and purse splits. I remember when people used to talk about what happens inside the ring.
 
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